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Grayson Allen Apology Thread

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jope said:
He wasn’t inefficient. He scored 40 on 30 shots, for 1.33 pps. That’s above league average and equivalent to Butler, Brogdan, Paul George, Jokic, Redick, and Millsap’s average pps. He was fine.
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And a lot of those misses came late in the game when he was just trying to create offense out of absolutely nothing. Naz and Cavanaugh seem like great guys; but they're not NBA players. Jazz were basically playing 3 against 5 for huge parts of the game while LAC played their usual rotation for most of the game.
 
candrew said:
And a lot of those misses came late in the game when he was just trying to create offense out of absolutely nothing. Naz and Cavanaugh seem like great guys; but they're not NBA players. Jazz were basically playing 3 against 5 for huge parts of the game while LAC played their usual rotation for most of the game.
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this x 100. this is the problem w/ only boxscore watching and making comments from that. he and georges were the only consistent offensive threats for most of the game other than the minutes that jae had. clips were keying in heavily on allen, and he was still getting to his spots, just missing some short shots from what looked like fatigue. and as you said, alot of his misses were late when he was trying to bail the team out when he was basically out there with the stars lineup. he also had 2 near half court heaves at the end of quarters that most guys wouldn't take to protect their FG%.
 
I didn't see his last game, so I'm probably not riding the high you guys are. But from what I've seen, he's a horrific defender. He is a poor playmaker. He's turnover prone. His shot is iffy. He is a pretty decent penetrator. Can finish at the rim pretty well.

Most of all the Jazz seem to just die when he is on the floor. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his +/- was lowest on the Jazz and pretty bad league wide for players with his minutes.

He will have to take the JJ Reddick path if he wants an NBA career. Not many guys are able to become passable defenders like Reddick did. Grayson has the athleticism to get there if his brain is up to the task. I'd think with 4 years of college he would have learned to play D already. Some guys you just can't teach.
 
jjscap said:
You can tell DM is rooting for this dude.
Could Donovan Mitchell - Grayson Allen be Utah's future backcourt duo? Q needs to find out next season increasing Allen's PT.
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I already called Grayson our Hornacek last summer. Time will tell
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I didn't see his last game, so I'm probably not riding the high you guys are. But from what I've seen, he's a horrific defender. He is a poor playmaker. He's turnover prone. His shot is iffy. He is a pretty decent penetrator. Can finish at the rim pretty well.

Most of all the Jazz seem to just die when he is on the floor. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his +/- was lowest on the Jazz and pretty bad league wide for players with his minutes.

He will have to take the JJ Reddick path if he wants an NBA career. Not many guys are able to become passable defenders like Reddick did. Grayson has the athleticism to get there if his brain is up to the task. I'd think with 4 years of college he would have learned to play D already. Some guys you just can't teach.
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no one is really riding a high, he clearly has been building up to this point. you clearly haven't been watching him since he came back from his ankle sprain much less this last game. his defense is leaps and bounds better then early season and he's become easily average at that end. and being a playmaker is one of the things he's been better at. against both sacramento and clips last night he was playing against their top guards and getting to the lane/scoring mostly at will w/ some good passes thrown in.
 
jazzfan1971 said:
I didn't see his last game, so I'm probably not riding the high you guys are. But from what I've seen, he's a horrific defender. He is a poor playmaker. He's turnover prone. His shot is iffy. He is a pretty decent penetrator. Can finish at the rim pretty well.

Most of all the Jazz seem to just die when he is on the floor. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his +/- was lowest on the Jazz and pretty bad league wide for players with his minutes.

He will have to take the JJ Reddick path if he wants an NBA career. Not many guys are able to become passable defenders like Reddick did. Grayson has the athleticism to get there if his brain is up to the task. I'd think with 4 years of college he would have learned to play D already. Some guys you just can't teach.
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Recommend you watch a game. He’s working hard on defense, shot looks good. Very happy with what I’ve seen the last few weeks now that he’s had a chance to get some run time. I think you analysis is off quite a bit.
 
I think his defense had been better than his offense myself. Sure he's still making mistakes but his effort, understanding, and self control have improved tenfold.
 
For me, watching Grayson Allen felt a lot like watching Morris Almond. It just seemed like there was a lack of confidence when he was out on the floor and he didn't belong.

It doesn't feel like that anymore. His shot looks confident and now I actually believe he will hit an open 3. If a big gets switched on him, he has the confidence to get a good shot. He can draw fouls. But he still made quite a few rookie mistakes.

I had given up on him, but now I think he might contribute some day.
 
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