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Grayson Allen Apology Thread

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jazzfan1971 said:
I didn't see his last game, so I'm probably not riding the high you guys are. But from what I've seen, he's a horrific defender. He is a poor playmaker. He's turnover prone. His shot is iffy. He is a pretty decent penetrator. Can finish at the rim pretty well.

Most of all the Jazz seem to just die when he is on the floor. I wouldn't be at all surprised if his +/- was lowest on the Jazz and pretty bad league wide for players with his minutes.

He will have to take the JJ Reddick path if he wants an NBA career. Not many guys are able to become passable defenders like Reddick did. Grayson has the athleticism to get there if his brain is up to the task. I'd think with 4 years of college he would have learned to play D already. Some guys you just can't teach.
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His game isn't really like Redick's. Grayson drives a lot more, with mixed results so far. Redick has one trick, shooting well coming off screens which makes up 83% of his field goal attempts. Grayson is a combo guard. Redick is a 100% pure SG.
 
yea redick is a bad comparison. i've said it since his sophomore season, but his game is like ginobili except he could end up being a better shooter/athlete than ginobili.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I think his defense had been better than his offense myself. Sure he's still making mistakes but his effort, understanding, and self control have improved tenfold.
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D>O? Tenfold? Sure, his defense has improved and he looks more confident overall, but I wouldn't make those statements
 
jazzETX said:
yea redick is a bad comparison. i've said it since his sophomore season, but his game is like ginobili except he could end up being a better shooter/athlete than ginobili.
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I don't think Ginobili is a good comparison, he's more like the opportunity cost of not buying those 1k shares of Google stock in 2004 when offered. I'd compare him to the unrealized potential of Dante Exum, or the meteoric bust value associated with Adam Morrison. I'd probably compare him to Elvis or the Beatles before Ginobili tbh.
 
latin jazz said:
Mmm, so Redick is a bad comp but a more athletic/better shooter Manu (who is a Hall of Famer) a good one? A bit optimistic I would say :D
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why do people always respond like that when it comes to comparisons? did i say he will have a hall of fame career? no. does he compare stylistically to ginobili? yes.
 
I was only comparing him to Reddick because Reddick was a bad defender when he came into the league and worked hard on his defense until he was decent.

I don't know what the hell you folks are smoking with Grayson, but he was horrible this season. Just look at his per/36 numbers. like 2 assists, 2 rebounds, a half a steal and half a block. And more turnovers than assists. And shooting 37% (or something, working from memory)

HE WAS TERRIBLE. Objectively terrible.

If you want to cherry pick a couple of games, be my guest, but the season data is in and it is miserable.
 
you're cherry picking data off very small sample sizes when he wasn't playing save for spot garbage minutes here and there. objectively, when he's got better minutes, his numbers weren't jaw-dropping but clearly better. regardless of that and most importantly, the eye test shows that he has clearly made great strides on both sides of the ball. all we are saying is that there is plenty to work with and be hopeful for in terms of improvement in comparing where he is now rather than where he was at the beginning of the season. you clearly haven't watched games regularly and are only looking at boxscores and advanced analytics which are useless when using them on severely small sample sizes. your analysis is way way off given how's he's looked and improved beyond just these last few games.
 
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