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GUN CONTROL is STUPID. HELL YEAH

Imagine how much worse it would be with armed citizens. They would be murdering each other instead of peacefully protesting. Guns are bad.
 
This is how powerful Maduro is in Venezuela apparently:

https://www.vocativ.com/02-2014/venezuelan-princess/

It’s hard times in Venezuela these days. The economy is in shambles, crime is spiraling, and the opposition is leading increasingly strident protests on the streets. To make matters worse, President Nicolás Maduro can’t even deal with the crisis from the comforts of the presidential palace.

Constitutionally, of course, Maduro has been able live in La Casona, a luxurious villa in the heart of the capital, since he was sworn in last year. The only problem: Almost a year after Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chávez, passed away, his three grown children—Maria Gabriela, Rosa Virginia and Hugo Jr.—are still living in the villa. Apparently, they have no intention of leaving.

The two daughters have allegedly converted La Casona into a social club for friends of the family. According to recent media reports, neighbors complain of “deafening” parties. Fast-food restaurants and catering agencies refuse to deliver to the mansion, allegedly, because the Chávez kids have stopped paying their bills. Even concert organizers are complaining; Chavez’s daughters allegedly force them to hand over dozens of free tickets so they can share them with their friends. (Both the country’s Information Ministry and the Chávez family were unavailable for comment.)
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addictionary said:
Socialism is much better than a foreign country invading or running your state.
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I need to get out more. . . . .

Hugo Chavez, an outright "communist" rhetorically, got his man elected to succeed him, and his three daughters just stayed where they were. . . . in the presidential mansion, throwing parties and not paying their bills.

Venezuela is a crazy place. The national prison manager talks about how the prisons are part of the "revolution" which is leading to utopia, and goes to prison to consort with the drug thug who runs the joint, using his gang-bangers.. .... fully armed of course. . . . to enforce "order", while compliant inmates get conjugal visits and even families not all that closely reltated which can last for days. . . . . real party time, with all the amenities of a tourist resort including restaurants, "street" barbeques, swimming pools, bands, and everything you'd dream of.

Of course this is only logical. The "prisoners" are drug runners, workers from Venezuela's main cash-cow industry, a sort of national hero class according to modern marxist ideology.

I've grown tired of calling this sort of government remarkable. In a socialist or marxist state, the government will gun down idealistic students who want honest representative government and fair elections on the streets, and provide perks to all the kinds of thugs who are "useful" somehow to the honchos.

However, noting that Obama and the UN are holding back on actually supporting Maduro, the bought and paid for honcho following Chavez' course, while almost every other SA or CA country is deploring the demonstrators, I can only wonder. . . . what is going on in the minds of the manipulators of this populace. . . . .

Is Maduro somehow "out of compliance" with the UN/corporatists/fascists? Is there money to be made from this country somehow? Is there a fight over control of resources necessary for cartelists? This is worse than "Spy vs. Spy".

This is, as Dr. Who would say, a "crack in the fabric of time". . . . a fracture in reality. . . . it's "Marxist vs. Marxist", "Revolution vs. Revolution".
 
Yes, Europe is so much more dangerous with less guns. I feel scared everyday knowing that when I walk into a gas station no one is armed, and no one has robbed the place before. I'm really scared for my family. I'm thinking of leaving the bolt off the my door unlocked tonight. Gasp!
 
Revolution 9 said:
Yes, Europe is so much more dangerous with less guns. I feel scared everyday knowing that when I walk into a gas station no one is armed, and no one has robbed the place before. I'm really scared for my family. I'm thinking of leaving the bolt off the my door unlocked tonight. Gasp!
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Correlation does not imply causation.
 
babe said:
In a socialist or marxist state, the government will gun down idealistic students who want honest representative government and fair elections on the streets, and provide perks to all the kinds of thugs who are "useful" somehow to the honchos.
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So, you don't see countries like Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc. as being socialist (I would agree they are not Marxist)? Or, have there been student shootings we have not heard about?
 
One Brow said:
So, you don't see countries like Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc. as being socialist (I would agree they are not Marxist)? Or, have there been student shootings we have not heard about?
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Hitler was a socialist, too. The sheeple in that neck of the woods can be handled better because they've been "educated' more, have more stuff to hang on to, and have given up enough freedom to be managed. . . . but don't imagine the managers won't roll out their thugs and gun them down if there is some apparent need. And they are not far from such "need", with the influx of laborers from abroad who don't have the same degree of motive for "compliance".

No socialist government can last, because as Margaret Thatcher observed, sooner or later they run out of "other people's money" and they can't supply the basic needs of life, and will start to "thin the herd". Finally, people indoctrinated under socialism become dependent and incapable of propagation in the long run. No motive to work for the masters can survive the decline in living standards and the ramping up of compliance demands. Socialism has always been a lie, anyway. It's really just another form of fascism. It's always run by the upper crust "elites" who will actually run and benefit from all the state-run operations, as well as any corporate interests that win government favor to continue to operate.

The British, for example, have been a state-run drug cartel operated for the enrichment of the British royals since the eighteenth century. And British, or British-affiliated bankers today are the folks who "launder" all the drug revenues from "approved" cartels, while the drug enforcement government agencies run as "enforcers" to eliminate "competition".

It's a big game, and sometimes there is a major shift in the players. Not often does a large cartel that has corrupted the government officials to a large extent get taken down, like in Mexico recently. . . . but it remains to be seen who will next be the big honchos in the "business".
 
One Brow said:
I agree that you can't use Europe as an argument for gun control; culture matters a lot. However, it is a least evidence you can have a safe, unarmed populace.
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Evidence for both exists. Sure
 
babe said:
Hitler was a socialist, too.
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Hitler did not take control of private industries, or even regulate them heavily. He was a fascist. They are different things.

babe said:
No socialist government can last, because as Margaret Thatcher observed, sooner or later they run out of "other people's money" and they can't supply the basic needs of life, and will start to "thin the herd".
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Are you saying that Sweden is not socialist, or that they are about to run out of money?
 
Revolution 9 said:
Yes, Europe is so much more dangerous with less guns. I feel scared everyday knowing that when I walk into a gas station no one is armed, and no one has robbed the place before. I'm really scared for my family. I'm thinking of leaving the bolt off the my door unlocked tonight. Gasp!
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Yeah this kind of stuff never happens anywhere but murrica.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre

The Erfurt massacre was a school massacre that occurred on 26 April 2002 at the Gutenberg-Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany. The gunman, 19-year-old expelled student Robert Steinhäuser, shot and killed 16 people; comprising 13 faculty members, two students, and one police officer, before committing suicide. One person was also wounded by a bullet fragment.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

The Winnenden school shooting occurred on the morning of 11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, in southwestern Germany, followed by a shootout at a car dealership in nearby Wendlingen.[1][5] The shooting spree resulted in 16 deaths, including the suicide of the perpetrator, 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer, who had graduated from the school one year earlier.[1] He also injured nine people during the incident.
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Revolution 9 said:
Yes, Europe is so much more dangerous with less guns. I feel scared everyday knowing that when I walk into a gas station no one is armed, and no one has robbed the place before. I'm really scared for my family. I'm thinking of leaving the bolt off the my door unlocked tonight. Gasp!
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Germany has 30 guns per 100 citizens; America has 88. In Germany it's much harder to get a gun license and to own multiple firearms, where in the US most gun owners have multiple weapons. As such, the gun owning density is probably similar.
 
franklin said:
Germany has 30 guns per 100 citizens; America has 88. In Germany it's much harder to get a gun license and to own multiple firearms, where in the US most gun owners have multiple weapons. As such, the gun owning density is probably similar.
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I personally have pretty moderate views on gun control. When I'm talking to people who are totally anti-gun, I tend to take a fairly pro-gun stance, against most limitations. But when I'm talking to people who are total gun nuts, I find myself arguing in favor of mandatory background checks, etc.

That being said, I DO think that private gun ownership is one of the main reasons why something like the rise of the Nazi party and their blatant use of force against opposers could not/would not happen in the US. (Does that count as Godwinning the thread? I'm not sure.)
 
colton said:
I personally have pretty moderate views on gun control. When I'm talking to people who are totally anti-gun, I tend to take a fairly pro-gun stance, against most limitations. But when I'm talking to people who are total gun nuts, I find myself arguing in favor of mandatory background checks, etc.

That being said, I DO think that private gun ownership is one of the main reasons why something like the rise of the Nazi party and their blatant use of force against opposers could not/would not happen in the US. (Does that count as Godwinning the thread? I'm not sure.)
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Pretty much my views as well.

As far as feeling comfortable in the presence or absence of guns goes, I feel as secure living in Orem as Rev does living in Germany. I wouldn't feel secure living in the Southern states with or without a gun. I think the security angle is widely misused by both extremes -- temperament of the local populace is what matters when it comes to violence, not guns.
 
revolution 9 said:
yes, europe is so much more dangerous with less guns. I feel scared everyday knowing that when i walk into a gas station no one is armed, and no one has robbed the place before. I'm really scared for my family. I'm thinking of leaving the bolt off the my door unlocked tonight. Gasp!
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look at the tyranny in greta brittain no guns
camera everywhere, government spying. Etc etc.

I would not want to live in brittain even if i get paid 1000 dollars a day
 
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