Gun control myths and info

[Deleted member 365]

Here is an interesting myth. The founding fathers intended for individual citizens to be able to own guns, that was the purpose of the 2nd amendment, exclusively to guarantee individual gun ownership.

FALSE

Everyone forgets the phrase "a well-regulated militia". The intention was more around the states rights to maintain a militia to keep the federal government from imposing its will by force. It also had to do with the fact that the founding fathers never intended on having an army per se. Instead they wanted to rely on calling men to arms and they would show up with their rifles to fight to defend the nation. It wasn't until the 60's that the NRA started heavily pushing for individual gun rights that this aspect even became a thing. Sure it also allows individuals to own guns but that was not the original intention of the 2nd amendment.

In all southern states, blacks were explicitly forbidden from owning guns or ammo. A fact that seems to go unmentioned by those tea bagger types who feel like any gun control is a restriction of their god given freedumb.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Also, this is the best thread in the history of this site.

 

[Jonah]

From the history I’ve read the NRA was all for gun control back in the 60s, mainly because of the Black Panthers who openly carried in order to “police the police”. The NRA backed the bill that ended open carry in California in 1967. It wasn’t until the 70s, after the Panthers were largely disbanded and no longer a threat, that the NRA changed its tune.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Here is an interesting myth. The founding fathers intended for individual citizens to be able to own guns, that was the purpose of the 2nd amendment, exclusively to guarantee individual gun ownership.

FALSE

Everyone forgets the phrase "a well-regulated militia". The intention was more around the states rights to maintain a militia to keep the federal government from imposing its will by force. It also had to do with the fact that the founding fathers never intended on having an army per se. Instead they wanted to rely on calling men to arms and they would show up with their rifles to fight to defend the nation. It wasn't until the 60's that the NRA started heavily pushing for individual gun rights that this aspect even became a thing. Sure it also allows individuals to own guns but that was not the original intention of the 2nd amendment.

You are acting authoritative here, but incorrect. HELLER.

 

[Zombie]

You are acting authoritative here, but incorrect. HELLER.

Not sure what a SC ruling from 2008 has to do with what the founding fathers intended for the second amendment.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Not sure what a SC ruling from 2008 has to do with what the founding fathers intended for the second amendment.

Ummmm, ok.

 

[Zombie]

Ummmm, ok.

I mean, we had over two hundred years before the second amendment was interpreted to guarantee a private right to gun ownership. It's certainly possible, likely even, it will be interpreted differently in the future. I wouldn't be so confident as to invoke Heller as the final word on the matter. It's not like Supreme Court decisions are unassailable.

 

[Rubashov]

Remember guys, duck and cover...

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I mean, we had over two hundred years before the second amendment was interpreted to guarantee a private right to gun ownership. It's certainly possible, likely even, it will be interpreted differently in the future. I wouldn't be so confident as to invoke Heller as the final word on the matter. It's not like Supreme Court decisions are unassailable.

That's certainly one revisionist take, a rather poor one but it will be entertaining watching you attempt to support it. We all know you are going to try.

 

[Zombie]

That's certainly one revisionist take, a rather poor one but it will be entertaining watching you attempt to support it. We all know you are going to try.

Do point to another Supreme Court ruling conclusively guaranteeing a personal right to own firearms.

 

[Getting Traded]

Most of those myths are true. What a croc. No I didn't watch the video. The facts speak for themselves when you compare the numbers to nations who have gun control. And show me some examples in which concealed carry actually saved lives instead of caused people to die?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Do point to another Supreme Court ruling conclusively guaranteeing a personal right to own firearms.

Right after you point to a ruling indicating it was anything but a given (remember, we've agreed to use givens not rights for @fishonjazz ). Have you read Miller? What of Scalia's opinion of English law predating?

Anyway, I find it frivolous to attempt reinterpreting something that was widely believed to be an individual right for 300 years, all because of the Miller restriction. If you don't like the right then get an amendment ratified properly instead of this grasping at straws reasoning that the collectivists have attempted.