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...You stated before that you think there should be an anti-gun propaganda campaign much like the anti-smoking campaign. To me that says you already see guns much like many people see cigarettes. Just a negative part of the world we live in that should be minimized and mitigated to do the least harm. I'm not on board with that. Our goals are different. There is no room for a compromise between your view and mine....


So here it is folks, the solution to our gun problems.

#1 Registration of all firearms

#2 Licensing of all firearms owners, requiring periodic training and renewal.

#3 Tight control of ammo sales, including a requirement to account for ammo on hand and all ammo spent. Limits on the amount of ammo allowed per household.

#4 Requirement to have all guns secured. Penalties and loss of firearms rights if guns fall into the wrong hands and/or stolen guns are not promptly reported.

#5 Insane penalties for any misuse of guns, much like our current penalties for drug possession.

#6 Public opinion campaign to create a common notion that guns are bad. Regulations and red tape so thick it makes most shooting sports so difficult to participate in that they become unpopular and die out.

#7 Making images of guns so offensive (so that showing a gun in any positive light is like saying the N word in public) that they no longer appear in TV shows, movies or video games.

I'm of the opinion that those are what is required to "cure" our current gun problem. Anything short and you aren't going to accomplish much. That's what us pro gun folks all realize and why we are steering clear of any compromise that takes us near the slippery slope that leads to what I've said. I give the leaders of the anti-gun movement credit for knowing the exact same thing, which is why I question their motives and why I'm suspicious over obviously ineffective proposals for gun regulation.

Too many people seem to be far too trigger-happy and far too irresponsible in the care and use of the guns they own. But hopefully natural selection will take care of that problem.

So yeah, the problem will eventually solve itself!

In the meantime, let's all speak with as much hyperbole as we can muster.
(see what I did there?)
 
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-nordstrom-gun-met-20141205-story.html

Woman who bought handgun is charged with false report in Nordstrom shooting...

Authorities said a Skokie woman who had once owned the gun used in the brazen murder-suicide at the Nordstrom store off Michigan Avenue last week was charged Friday night with disorderly conduct after filing a false police report.

Nina Dones, 23, falsely reported in September that the .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun had been stolen from her Skokie apartment, according to law enforcement sources.

Police have said that Marcus Dee used the gun to fatally shoot his ex-girlfriend before turning the weapon on himself as shoppers ran for safety on Black Friday, one of the busiest shopping days of the year....

The sources said a former or current boyfriend of Dones' was an acquaintance of Dee's.

Dones is scheduled to appear for a bond hearing Saturday at the Leighton Criminal Court Building, said Sally Daly, a spokeswoman for the Cook County state's attorney's office. She confirmed that Dones had been charged with one count of disorderly conduct, a felony...

Investigators traced the weapon to Dones through her purchase of the gun in 2013 at GAT Guns, a 45,000-square-foot store and indoor range in northwest suburban East Dundee, the source said.

Nordstrom was crowded with holiday shoppers at about 8:30 p.m. on Nov. 28 when Dee confronted his ex-girlfriend, Nadia Ezaldein, a seasonal employee at the store. As Ezaldein walked away, Dee, 31, shot her in the head before shooting himself in the head, authorities said.

Family members have said Dee physically abused Ezaldein throughout their 16-month relationship. She broke up with Dee last December after he put a gun in her mouth, they said.

Copyright © 2014, Chicago Tribune

I'm not sure how anything here proves she filed a false report of a stolen gun, and I'm not sure why the charge for that would be disorderly conduct, but what do I know? Not much, apparently.

But I am glad that sufficient records existed to trace the gun's ownership.
 
Too many people seem to be far too trigger-happy and far too irresponsible in the care and use of the guns they own. But hopefully natural selection will take care of that problem.

So yeah, the problem will eventually solve itself!

In the meantime, let's all speak with as much hyperbole as we can muster.
(see what I did there?)

The problem with Gameface is that he wasn't doing hyperbole. To be "hyperbole" the idea has to be a statement in excess of fact, not an understatement.

The fact is, most of us are in a state of comparative ignorance about agendas or political motives, and we think we can just be reasonable and have sensible lives of our choosing. Political agendas by definition are an attempt to stampede the human herd into unreasonable fears and acceptance of specific political power grabs.

hyperbole usually doesn't include qualifiers in generalities like "sometimes" or "often" nor quantifiers like "some" or "most". Even your "hyperbole" has qualifiers, quantifiers and such. . . . "too many", "too. . . . happy", "too irresponsible".

You need more practice, and an expert teacher. I'm the ultimate over-qualified Hyperbole Czar. I give lessons frequently.
 
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Dictators and other thieves don't want you to have guns while they're asserting possession of your stuff or doing away with your life. (this is a generality. . . . do you know any exceptions to the rule?)

Political idealists are dupes Dictators love, and fools thieves look for. (unsupported by data, and possibly wrong. . . a statement suspicious of hyperbole. . . . but show me one dictator, or one thief, who has ever made a campaign in support of gun rights as a human right)

Darkside Cops plan their arrests and other operations with an eye to achieving "kills" on the job, in order to cause civil turmoil, so obviously we need to hire rent-a-mob protesters hand-picked by the same political operatives who organize cells of "darkside cops". The objective is to disarm the public, and eventually declare martial law and suspend elections. The political pluses of such tactics are that politicians achieve more power over the folks, who will vote for and accept and obey more government authority over life on the streets.

The politicians can then vote themselves more pay and perks, and their bureaucratic minions can hire more "help" and get bigger trucks, and personal arsenals for "self-protection". The babes will adoringly follow, and life wil be plush and lush.

Sometimes I wish I could actually do hyperbole when talking about the evils of our government.
 
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...s-Suspect-Who-Tried-to-Rob-Him-284642891.html

Off-Duty San Francisco Police Officer Shoots Man Who Tried to Rob Him: Police
ByBay City News

An attempted robbery suspect was taken to a hospital after being shot by an off-duty police officer in San Francisco's Lower Nob Hill neighborhood.
Wednesday, Dec 3, 2014 • Updated at 7:13 PM PST

An attempted robbery suspect was shot by an off-duty San Francisco police officer in the city's Lower Nob Hill neighborhood Wednesday morning, a police spokeswoman said.
According to San Francisco police Sgt. Monica MacDonald, police received reports shortly before 6 a.m. of gunshots heard in the area of Leavenworth and Pine streets.
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Officers responded to the area but were unable to find anything out of the ordinary, MacDonald said. She said based on the preliminary police investigation, it appears someone was trying to break into a car by smashing a window with a wooden stick, possibly a chair leg.
A passerby saw the male suspect and confronted him. The suspect then struck the passerby with the wooden object and robbed him, MacDonald said.
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The victim didn't initially report the incident and went home to clean himself up and get ready for work, according to the sergeant.
The same passerby was then walking to work when he saw an altercation inside Another Café, a coffee shop at Leavenworth and Pine. The same suspect allegedly threw coffee on someone inside the coffee shop and then exited, MacDonald said.
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The suspect made his way into a nearby apartment building, where the off-duty police officer was exiting an apartment in the building and encountered him in a hallway, MacDonald said.
The suspect then tried to rob the officer, who identified himself and drew his weapon, the sergeant said. The suspect refused to comply and told the officer that he would have to have to kill him, MacDonald said. The officer holstered his handgun, and the two became engaged in a physical struggle, according to police. The officer called for backup during the fight, during which the suspect struck the officer and bit him, causing lacerations, MacDonald said.
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The suspect then reached for the officer's gun, which discharged once, striking the suspect in the upper body, MacDonald said. She said blood was found all over the hallway inside the apartment building when on-duty police officers arrived.
The suspect, whose name is not yet being released, was transported to San Francisco General Hospital, according to MacDonald. She did not know his condition. She said the off-duty officer, whose name is also not immediately being released, teaches defensive tactics at the department.

Video the suspect before the shooting can be found here:
https://www.groopie.tv/watch/ln1wG
 
https://www.wafb.com/story/27558613/police-say-homeowner-shoots-man-during-break-in

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - Police said a suspected would-be burglar was shot while breaking in to a home Friday.

The Baton Rouge Police Department identified the suspected burglar as James Boyette, 36. He later died at the hospital.

Police said the shooting happened on Woodhaven Street in Baton Rouge around noon.

"He heard somebody in the back of his home," said Cpl. L'Jean McKneely with BRPD. "When he went to investigate what was going on, he saw the individual inside the house and he confronted him and shot him."

Investigators said the homeowner found Boyette in a bedroom inside the home and shot him."We definitely all look after each other, very well," said Pete Dawson, a neighbor.

"A man at home minding his own business has a right to protect himself and his family," said District Attorney Hillar Moore.

The homeowner will not be charged.
Police added Boyette had a long criminal history and had drugs on him at the time of the break-in and shooting.

"He was troubled and did have a past and that is probably what led him into breaking into that home," McKneely said.

The shooting remains under investigation.
 
I consider this bad form and would have no issues if the gun owner were penalized...

https://www.8newsnow.com/story/2755...r-man-who-tried-to-rob-red-lobster-on-decatur

LAS VEGAS -- Metro Police said they have arrested 28-year-old Dillon Webb in connection to a robbery at a Red Lobster restaurant Thursday night.
Police said shortly before 10 p.m., Webb walked into the seafood chain with a gun at the S. Decatur Boulevard and Alta Drive location and demanded money.

He ended up getting a cash drawer and ran out the door, but was stopped by a customer in the parking lot who was armed with a gun. The customer shot one round into the air, which spooked Webb, making him drop the cash drawer and run, police said.

Officers later caught up with the 28-year-old and booked him into the Clark County Detention Center.

He faces charges of two counts of robbery with a deadly weapon, two counts of assault with a deadly weapon, and one count of burglary with a deadly weapon.
 
Too many people seem to be far too trigger-happy and far too irresponsible in the care and use of the guns they own. But hopefully natural selection will take care of that problem.

So yeah, the problem will eventually solve itself!

In the meantime, let's all speak with as much hyperbole as we can muster.
(see what I did there?)

I completely agree with the bolded part. While I was banned I had planned to come back and start a thread on sensible, effective ways that we could possibly make firearms ownership less troublesome than it is. But, you know, I can talk to my self all by myself so I decided to skip the hassle.
 
Nah, I'm pretty sure he was.

As far as the steps needed for gun control to work? No, no hyperbole. I think those steps I outlined (and that I oppose) would be a solid step towards "gun control" in the U.S. I stated them to make the point that I see that as the necessary direction gun control needs to take in order to work. It is because I oppose those steps that I oppose "reasonable regulation" when it comes to privately owned firearms...because the current crop of "reasonable regulation" will be ineffective. Anyone familiar with firearms and familiar with rural, military and urban gun culture (of which I have at least some familiarity with) knows that the kinds of regulations being proposed are a complete joke and will not make a difference. So, if those regulations pass...and then don't work, what's next? Do the pro-gun control folks remove the unnecessary, burdensome and ineffective regulations or propose that they will work if only we closed this loophole and that one?

Since I oppose measures that would effectively end privately owned firearms that can be used for individual self-defense and for armed resistance, I oppose BS "reasonable regulations" that will fail and require less reasonable regulations in order to work.
 
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