Hardy isn’t the guy for this job. It isn’t working

[Roy_McAvoy]

I can’t believe this thread is still going, it’s so idiotic.

Hardy is a great coach. He’s well on his way to having a second player get the Most Improved Award. That’s significant.

He’s coveted by other front offices. His reputation and acumen is considered stellar.

Young players aren’t great at defense, with rare exception. We have lots of young players. This will improve with time and growth.

Finally, he’s beloved by his players. Especially Lauri, Key and Ace. Losing Hardy would be a significant blow.

Let’s see where we’re at next year when the tank is over. Until then, this entire thread is as premature as it is unfounded.

Well then why don’t the 5 nba teams that have younger average ages by minutes played have worst defensive ratings than the Jazz?

And I’m glad you love Hardy so much. I hope you love watching Caleb Wilson sit the bench next season to the 40 year old Al Horford that the Jazz brought in and Hardy insists on playing over the rookie.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Hardy is a great coach. He’s well on his way to having a second player get the Most Improved Award. That’s significant.

Hardy didn't turn Lauri into the MIP and he's not doing it for Keyonte either. Stop it.

 

[KqWIN]

Hardy’s defensive coaching skill is 10/10 on the worry scale for me. We talk endlessly as to whether or not he plays the crappy vets or the crappy young guys, but the real issue is that he sucks as a defensive coach. If we can give him credit for his great offensive system and success we have to be as reasonable about the defensive end.

And no, defense is not about “motivating” guys to play hard.

 

[Flc]

Hardy didn't turn Lauri into the MIP and he's not doing it for Keyonte either. Stop it.

I know you're so high on your own insufferable little bitch ******** that you can't consider alternative perspectives, but here's the ESPN article where Lauri credits Hardy for his MIP award. I've also got the New York Times and a couple of podcasts, if you'd prefer.

Markkanen on breakout: Bigger goals than MIP

Lauri Markkanen is having the breakout season he always knew was possible, but he and the Utah Jazz both believe isn't "even close to the ceiling yet."

www.espn.com

And here's Keyonte crediting Hardy with his growth:

Jazz's Keyonte George Reveals What Makes Will Hardy Different

"In the film room, we all sit there and watch it. If it's Lauri, he's going to call Lauri out. If it's, I don't know, John, JC, Collin, me, like, everybody. He'

www.si.com

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hardy didn't turn Lauri into the MIP and he's not doing it for Keyonte either. Stop it.

Yeah, that seems to be the idea behind this thread.

Anything good that is happening would happen regardless of any other circumstances and anything bad is Hardy's fault.

 

[Tanktastic]

the ESPN article where Lauri credits Hardy for his MIP award.

He says no such thing.

Lauri said Hardy empowered him. And proceeded to thank the whole coaching staff. What he didn't say is that his award was Hardy's achievement.

Sure, Hardy played a small part in Lauri's rise. Bet let's not make it "made him into".

 

[MTS]

Hardy’s defensive coaching skill is 10/10 on the worry scale for me. We talk endlessly as to whether or not he plays the crappy vets or the crappy young guys, but the real issue is that he sucks as a defensive coach. If we can give him credit for his great offensive system and success we have to be as reasonable about the defensive end.

And no, defense is not about “motivating” guys to play hard.

It isn't about "motivating guys" to play hard, but it's also fair to question how much Hardy values defense or developing good defensive habits when he has basically never demonstrated a willingness to reward good defense with more playing time (to be fair though, he'll occasionally punish players for extremely egregiuos mistakes on defense, at least).

That having been said, the Jazz obviously shouldn't fire Hardy. Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

You don't think he has a defense guy on his staff right now?

 

[KqWIN]

It isn't about "motivating guys" to play hard, but it's also fair to question how much Hardy values defense or developing good defensive habits when he has basically never demonstrated a willingness to reward good defense with more playing time (to be fair though, he'll occasionally punish players for extremely egregiuos mistakes on defense, at least).

That having been said, the Jazz obviously shouldn't fire Hardy. Worst case, he can add somebody to his coaching staff that can serve as the de-facto defensive coordinator.

Agree that Hardy's track record does not suggest he prefers or rewards good defense. He's the only coach I can remember who said out loud that he didn't prioritize defense. But I also don't believe this idea of "rewarding" and "punishing" is a real solution. I think he needs to be stronger tactically. Even if he prefers the offensive focused guys he's should still be getting more out of those guys defensively through scheme etc.

I don't think we should fire him either, but if results don't improve (both development and actual results) we need to get a defensive coordinator type at minimum. I think our defensive talent is bad, but we shouldn't be THIS bad three years in a row.

 

[MTS]

You don't think he has a defense guy on his staff right now?

By that I just mean if you subscribe to the theory that there are schematic issues, that still doesn't mean you fire Hardy.

Maybe they have one and it's just a personnel issue, in which case, you don't fire Hardy.

Or maybe they have one and he isn't very good, in which case, you don't fire Hardy.

Point is, it's not an issue I'd fire him over.

 

[slc]

Do the Jazz have a coach that teaches defense?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Do the Jazz have a coach that teaches defense?

It's impossible to coach defense with the center rotation the Jazz have combined with the lack of athleticism/defensive talent on the perimeter