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Hardy Makes Me More Frustrated W/ Snyder

Snyder definitely deserves critique, but when Hardy gets to Snyder's level of success lets see how he performs.

There is a huge difference between coaching with no expectations and coaching when you're team is the #1 offense.

Making changes is easy when nothing you're doing is elite. When you're the #1 offense changing things up is a bit more of an actual decision.
 
Snyder at one point was not afraid to try new rosters and let guys play. He was innovative and not afraid to try something new. Once we got all the veterans he became even more stubborn that Sloan was with his lineups and rotations. The team became stagnant. I'm guessing Hardy will start to lean that way at some point but I hope he isn't as stubborn as Snyder became.
 
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That actually worked though. Houston had a historically elite offense that regular season, and their offensive rating against us in the playoffs was garbage.

There's other reasons to dog on Quin, for sure, but this isn't one of them.
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The thing we cant really know is if that elite offense was garbage because of that move. Sometimes an offense simply has a bad series and misses shots they normally make (have seen it happen to he jazz plenty)


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fishonjazz said:
The thing we cant really know is if that elite offense was garbage because of that move. Sometimes an offense simply has a bad series and misses shots they normally make (have seen it happen to he jazz plenty)


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Could be, but it doesn't make it any less unfair to criticize Snyder for it. Even if you want to claim Houston forgot to offense, the fact remains that our defense didn't fail in that series.

I'm not even trying to argue in Quin's defense overall. I went on a rant against him last night. But this is just an unfair criticism.
 
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I do not like much Snyder but he was a good coach for many years. For me his main failure was not beeing able to make this team as a good collective team able to work for each other, unselfish. Specially when you have talented players such a Rudy, Don, Bodga.... i totally agree with DA analysis when he say mopre or less the same thing. Good individual players does not make necessary a wininng team, looking at Nets is a good example.
 
MT Steve said:
Could be, but it doesn't make it any less unfair to criticize Snyder for it. Even if you want to claim Houston forgot to offense, the fact remains that our defense didn't fail in that series.

I'm not even trying to argue in Quin's defense overall. I went on a rant against him last night. But this is just an unfair criticism.
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Fair
And to quins credit, he had an extremely limited offensi e player that was the focus of his teams and created the number 1 offense in the nba. He should get some credit for that


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I was once given advice to never wait once you knew an employee needed to be let go. I have found it more true over years of experience. I have been forced to let some of my best talent go multiple times and it always scared the hell out of me. The results in each of those were Similar to the Jazz. What appeared to be lesser talent rose to the occasion and the company climbed to new heights.

It really makes me question what might have been if Snyder were let go after the infamous clippers series. The unwillingness to make adjustments was enough for me back then.

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vegas said:
I was once given advice to never wait once you knew an employee needed to be let go. I have found it more true over years of experience. I have been forced to let some of my best talent go multiple times and it always scared the hell out of me. The results in each of those were Similar to the Jazz. What appeared to be lesser talent rose to the occasion and the company climbed to new heights.

It really makes me question what might have been if Snyder were let go after the infamous clippers series. The unwillingness to make adjustments was enough for me back then.

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I think the problem, until the last year or 2, was mostly laid at the feet of DL and his asset-wasting "team building" that gave us nothing we needed. Once we had it settle for a bit then we could see that Snyder just didn't have a clue. For the longest time we rode the "underdog" wave of Snyder the genius getting so much out of a limited squad with such young players. Once the focus shifted and he had to get that same team to produce as hardened vets his short-comings became all too visible. He hid behind DLs incompetence for years before his own incompetence came to light. Kind of like what you are saying here about getting rid of the guy that needs to go then someone rising to the occasion, but in this case it was getting rid of the guy that needed to go and then uncovering the crappy performance that was hiding behind that guy. I have seen that happen in business settings too, especially when the guy that needs to go is in the top leadership spot. Other incompetence hides behind his and isn't exposed until he is gone.
 
Snyder was an elite coach, but never showed he could get his team over the hump in the playoffs. Hardy has done a good job coaching a team with no expectations to a surprising 6 game start of the season. I don't think it's fair to really compare them at this point.

Fans are typically way over reactive to very limited information and want to make changes with every piece of data that confirms their biases. Snyder had gotten to the point where he was so stubborn he wasn't going to make changes even though there was ample evidence to support a change was needed. Obviously a good coach will give something enough time to play out before making changes, but as soon as it has played out do what it takes to correct it.
 
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