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Hayward excitement level

fishonjazz said:
I feel the same way I have always felt about him.

I like him allot and think he is a really good player but not a franchise star max money type player.
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He is if you don't have anyone (or have a with reason chance at obtaining) else better to pay.
 
Hayward is a good player but he's not THE guy...not someone who carries a team consistently. We need more offensive stars, and the injuries to our other core players hasn't helped.
 
Mission Accomplished said:
if he was a player that is on the brink of ALL-Star status he should be keeping us in the mix.
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In extremus: Neto/ Hood/ LeBron/ Lyles/ Withey: No way this lineup be "in the mix"?

Look at the age and talent on this team it is pretty amazing where we are. Would you add a few wins by replacing Gordon with a top 20 player? Sure. But look at Houston with 2 "superstars" -- they are one place ahead of us.

It is bizarre to single out our best player for this discussion. Not having a superstar, therefore you get rid of a top 40 player? The Sixers did this with Igoudala. Not enough of a superstar, criticize and then trade him. Silly strategy, predictable outcome.
 
For the record: my Hayward excitement level: 8.5 on scale of 1-10. Gobert, Favors, Exum, Hayward, Hood in 2-3 years, we are a top 4 team if we add the right pieces (even if one of the pieces is not a "superstar").

Still on the DL bandwagon.
 
silesian said:
In extremus: Neto/ Hood/ LeBron/ Lyles/ Withey: No way this lineup be "in the mix"?

Look at the age and talent on this team it is pretty amazing where we are. Would you add a few wins by replacing Gordon with a top 20 player? Sure. But look at Houston with 2 "superstars" -- they are one place ahead of us.

It is bizarre to single out our best player for this discussion. Not having a superstar, therefore you get rid of a top 40 player? The Sixers did this with Igoudala. Not enough of a superstar, criticize and then trade him. Silly strategy, predictable outcome.
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Chemistry is so important. IMO it is the Gulf that separates GS/SA from Hou and other teams with superstars that are mediocre. SA doesn't even have a top 5 player on their team. And they stole Kawai at #15. I would say that is equal to trading Gobert for cash.
 
You could definitely make the argument for Kawhi being top 5 this year.
 
KD's Framily said:
You could definitely make the argument for Kawhi being top 5 this year.
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He is top 5. Easily the best defender and is shooting 50% from the 3pt line while being a 1st option. The only negative on him is that he doesnt get to the FT line at a high rate.
 
fishonjazz said:
I feel the same way I have always felt about him.

I like him allot and think he is a really good player but not a franchise star max money type player.
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So I understand the sentiment here, but the problem is that Max Money player and franchise star are not one and the same. The market where Hayward got a max deal necessitated the money. Any team in the league would pay him that money, so he is a "market max" guy. There are players (Kanter) who got more money, but they are obviously a worse piece for the team. In 3 years, a Hayward type player will probably get less than the max, and that is what he is really worth, but right now, if a player has even a hint of all star potential, they are a max player, at least for the last two offseasons and possibly this coming one.

Also, Hayward is freaking good. Not great, but pretty damn good.
 
b_line said:
So I understand the sentiment here, but the problem is that Max Money player and franchise star are not one and the same. The market where Hayward got a max deal necessitated the money. Any team in the league would pay him that money, so he is a "market max" guy. There are players (Kanter) who got more money, but they are obviously a worse piece for the team. In 3 years, a Hayward type player will probably get less than the max, and that is what he is really worth, but right now, if a player has even a hint of all star potential, they are a max player, at least for the last two offseasons and possibly this coming one.

Also, Hayward is freaking good. Not great, but pretty damn good.
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Ya, you are right I think.
I don't hate his current contract. I just hope we don't have to pay him like 25 million per year for his next deal
 
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