Hayward has agreed to an offer with Hornets

[Stoked]

Ummm, there's also a player named Lebron James - you may have heard of him - who is seriously considering returning to the Cavs. If I were Cleveland, yeah, I'd hold that cap space open until the prodigal son decides on my team or Miami.

If you're LBJ, do you want to play on a team of declining vets, or do you go to a franchise that has Irving, Wiggins and a bunch of other solid, young players that can contend for the length of your contract? AND, BTW, your wife is also wanting to return to Cleveland and LBJ has said he'd like to have his children attend the same schools he did growing up. I'd say it's about 80/20 that LBJ goes to Cleveland, especially with them clearing cap space today (Jack to NJ...I mean Brooklyn).

Uh, there is a thing called joking around. You should look it up. All the kids are doing it.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The Jazz and their perpetual "let the market set the number" are the reason he has this contract. Wed Mayhews, Paul Milsap, etc.

This league overpays for young talent. Jazz gambled and lost.

Jazz tried to sign him last year and he wouldn't agree to terms. You can bet Lindsey made another offer on July 1st. Should Utah have offered a max deal last summer? No, they wanted him to prove he was a max player. Did he?
IMO, what Utah discovered last season is Hayward's "value" is not as a max player. Charlotte is paying a huge premium to try to get him away from the Jazz. TBH, we have a couple of very good SG prospects in Burks and Exum (Dante as a combo guard). And the league is full of SF's; that's the easiest position to fill. Jazz matching this offer sheet would be a HUGE mistake.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Uh, there is a thing called joking around. You should look it up. All the kids are doing it.

Damn kids!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0&feature=kp

 

[The Pearl]

Well, I stand corrected. The Jazz do have lots of room for error in our current market. You should start logging in from my screen name. You seem to know it all.

Locke covers the entire issue pretty well here:

www.weareutahjazz.com/lockedonjazz/2014/07/09/insider-faq-on-gordon-hayward/

It is a fair "big picture" evaluation of the current situation. Everybody agrees that GH is not a "max player", whatever that means. That is not the question that DL has to decide upon.

 

[Doc Cherno]

Charlotte apparently also offering two cases of 6 point beer. No point in continuing this thread now...

 

[Stifle Tower]

Not sure why people are upset with Hayward as if you wouldn't consider leaving a job for a higher paying job. Get over it you vaginas.

Karl Malone, John Stockton, Tim Duncan...
There are many examples of guys around the league taking less so their team can be better. Heck, even Derrick Favors understands the concept. This is not like making $20K and getting an offer from XYZ company for $40K. That's when you take the money so you can "provide" for your family. Jazz would have gladly paid Gordon the same as Favors in order to leave room for the other key players as they came up for contracts. Gordon kind of reminds me of Justin Bieber; he's just enamored with personal fame (his web site, gaming fetish, etc.). But part of the blame can be placed back on Corbin and Lindsey for that disaster of a season. Gordon was miserable and he wanted out. Please, Dennis...give him his wish.

 

[Jazz Traveler]

https://saltcityhoops.com/report-gordon-hayward-signs-offer-sheet-with-charlotte-hornets/

Some further details on Hayward’s offer sheet, assuming the figures reported by Wojnarowski and others are true:

Hayward would receive $14,756,881 in year 1 of the deal, $15,420,940 in year 2, $16,085,000 in year 3, and $16,749,060 in year 4.

Should Hayward receive a player option as reported, his deal would be for 3 years, $46.25 million if he opted out of year 4.

After opting out prior to year 4, Hayward would be eligible to receive a higher maximum deal (for 30% of the cap level, rather than just 25%), since he would have 7 years of service time in the NBA. 3

Hayward would join 27 other current NBA players with a 15% trade kicker.

The trade kicker would mean Hayward would be due a 15% bonus 4 upon the completion of a trade sending Hayward to another team. That bonus would be paid for by the Jazz (or Hornets, if the Jazz choose not to match) under the new CBA.

However, that trade bonus cannot extend Hayward’s salary beyond the maximum player salary. In year 1, he would receive no bonus should a trade occur. In year 2-3, he would only be eligible to receive a bonus if the cap grew by more than the 4.5% raises Hayward is receiving in the offer sheet. In year 4, if he chose to opt in, he would be eligible to receive a trade kicker in the prorated amount of 15 percent multiplied by the $16.75M salary owed to him.5 This is different than years 1-3 because Hayward would, at that point, be a 7 year veteran, eligible to receive more money.

Hayward could choose to waive the trade bonus at any time if he chose to. He could conceivably do this in order to facilitate a trade.

If the Jazz match, Hayward must consent to any trade involving him for a period of 1 year. He could not be traded to Charlotte for 1 year, even if he wanted to be.

 

[Hantlers]

Hayward is going to get matched by Utah. He's a good, homegrown talent, and you don't let those players leave.

You have to remember we are the Utah Jazz...if we want a player of Hayward's caliber, we are going to have to overpay...it's not like a lot of players are going to want to come here without a lot of money.

 

[Hantlers]

Karl Malone, John Stockton, Tim Duncan...
There are many examples of guys around the league taking less so their team can be better. Heck, even Derrick Favors understands the concept. This is not like making $20K and getting an offer from XYZ company for $40K. That's when you take the money so you can "provide" for your family. Jazz would have gladly paid Gordon the same as Favors in order to leave room for the other key players as they came up for contracts. Gordon kind of reminds me of Justin Bieber; he's just enamored with personal fame (his web site, gaming fetish, etc.). But part of the blame can be placed back on Corbin and Lindsey for that disaster of a season. Gordon was miserable and he wanted out. Please, Dennis...give him his wish.

You're a total, and complete moron.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Karl Malone, John Stockton, Tim Duncan...
There are many examples of guys around the league taking less so their team can be better. Heck, even Derrick Favors understands the concept. This is not like making $20K and getting an offer from XYZ company for $40K. That's when you take the money so you can "provide" for your family. Jazz would have gladly paid Gordon the same as Favors in order to leave room for the other key players as they came up for contracts. Gordon kind of reminds me of Justin Bieber; he's just enamored with personal fame (his web site, gaming fetish, etc.). But part of the blame can be placed back on Corbin and Lindsey for that disaster of a season. Gordon was miserable and he wanted out. Please, Dennis...give him his wish.

Rarely do players take paycuts for the better on the team on their 1st major contract.

 

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This **** is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Jazz tried to sign him last year and he wouldn't agree to terms. You can bet Lindsey made another offer on July 1st. Should Utah have offered a max deal last summer? No, they wanted him to prove he was a max player. Did he?
IMO, what Utah discovered last season is Hayward's "value" is not as a max player. Charlotte is paying a huge premium to try to get him away from the Jazz. TBH, we have a couple of very good SG prospects in Burks and Exum (Dante as a combo guard). And the league is full of SF's; that's the easiest position to fill. Jazz matching this offer sheet would be a HUGE mistake.

All good points. The part in bold is one that I've been bouncing around in my head since the announcement. Did he earn this contract? If the Jazz match, it will be because they think that he has the potential to earn the contract. It's not based on what he's done so far, but what they expect him to do moving forward. I think that the team set him up to fail. I think that they knew this team would be a dumpster fire under Ty Corbin as a lame-duck coach and they're not holding it against their players because of that.

I don't think that any of the young players have really been developed well at all - that includes Hayward. He was given the chance to be "the guy" on a team in transition, losing it's top two assets (Jefferson and Millsap) and not having any clear direction or system on offense or defense. What the hell did people expect to happen? I'm pretty sure that the results match the organization's intent. Hayward should have stepped up more as a leader and as a #1 option, but I think that playing for the worst head coach in the league - who's trying desperately to save his job - is bound to have a negative impact on any young player.

I don't think he's worth the full max contract. I had it pegged around $13 or $14 million. I'm 90% certain that the Jazz will match this contract. Can he live up to those lofty expectations under a new coach who is known for his player developmental skills? I sure as heck hope so.

I think that Gordon Hayward with a clearly defined role on his team and improved players around him is a guy that most teams would want to have. I ask myself what kind of contract we'd have to offer him if he had played for the Suns last year under Hornacek. . . I'm pretty sure that it would be a MAX contract and we'd be talking about him with the type of reverence some have shown towards Bledsoe, Parsons and/or Monroe. In fact, we'd probably be talking about how Utah is a Free Agency Dead Zone and "Why the hell would Gordon Hayward even want to come here when he has other options out there?" The plain and simple fact is that he doesn't have a choice and he doesn't have any options if the Jazz choose to match the contract. He's been professional about this whole situation and people continue to bash him for trying to maximize his value. In the world of highly competitive sports, it only takes one team that loves you to make a ridiculous amount of money. Gordon Hayward is worth this contract as much (if not more) than Roy Hibbert or Eric Gordon or Jrue Holliday were of getting their MAX contracts in RFA. At least Gordon Hayward hasn't gone out and begged the Jazz not to match the contract. He's played his hand perfectly and is about to get paid a lot of money because he bet on himself. I think he has a lot more intelligence and confidence than many posters around here are willing to admit.

I don't think that Chandler Parsons, Eric Bledsoe or Greg Monroe have earned MAX contracts either, but with all the cap space out there this offseason, it wouldn't surprise me to see any of them get a deal similar to what Hayward is getting. They're all getting overpaid regardless. . . Do you really think that Phoenix, Detroit or Houston will just not match because the market has inflated their value?