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Hayward or Burks?

Hayward or Burks?

  • Hayward is better now and more versatile

    Votes: 12 37.5%
  • Burks has more upside and is a potential go-to-player

    Votes: 20 62.5%

  • Total voters
    32
Burks is gunna kill it next season.

Could see him scoring an efficient 20 pts per game if he's a starter. He is also a decent passer... I like where he is headed.
 
He's a little underrated for his passing tbh. I just hope we can sign him to a good price before he breaks out.

I think it is because the ball used to stick with him a little bit. He corrected it. What is the max you would sign him to for an extension?
 
After 5 years of declining shooting stats, CJ goes to Cleveland and resurrects his career. Millsap and Carroll improve their shooting in Atlanta. Is it just me, or is anyone else wondering how much good coaching may improve the performance of the current guys on Utah's roster?
1. Most of CJ's shooting decline came under Sloan. Jerry was clearly the worst coach in the league.

2. Millsap didn't improve his shooting in Atlanta.

3. Carroll was a nobody before he hit Utah. He became a true NBA rotation player with Ty as his coach.


You have an incredible ability to ignore inconvenient facts.
 
I'm a ****ing Drama Queen.

Fixed.


Demarre's free throw has dropped 10%.
Millsap's 2pt % and overall % dropped in Atlanta.
Jeremy Evans has improved considerably outside the paint.
Mo Williams improved in Utah.
Randolph Foye had a career shooting season in Utah.
Marvin Williams improved in Utah.
Derrick Favors has improved each season.
Devin Harris improved in Utah.

Don't let stats get in the way of inventing drama, DQ.
 
Fixed.


Demarre's free throw has dropped 10%.
Millsap's 2pt % and overall % dropped in Atlanta.
Jeremy Evans has improved considerably outside the paint.
Mo Williams improved in Utah.
Randolph Foye had a career shooting season in Utah.
Marvin Williams improved in Utah.
Derrick Favors has improved each season.
Devin Harris improved in Utah.

Don't let stats get in the way of inventing drama, DQ.

Demarre's free throw has dropped 10% -- well, he was getting lots of minutes, so fatigue could be a factor -- what about the rest of his game?
Millsap's 2pt % and overall % dropped in Atlanta -- he also made the All-Star team
Jeremy Evans has improved considerably outside the paint.
Mo Williams improved in Utah -- are you kidding, he sucked when he came back, wasn't anywhere near the player he had been after he left the first time
Randolph Foye had a career shooting season in Utah.
Marvin Williams improved in Utah -- maybe a little
Derrick Favors has improved each season -- less than was projected
Devin Harris improved in Utah -- What? He was better before, and better afterwards
 
Fixed.


Demarre's free throw has dropped 10%.
Millsap's 2pt % and overall % dropped in Atlanta.
Jeremy Evans has improved considerably outside the paint.
Mo Williams improved in Utah.
Randolph Foye had a career shooting season in Utah.
Marvin Williams improved in Utah.
Derrick Favors has improved each season.
Devin Harris improved in Utah.

Don't let stats get in the way of inventing drama, DQ.



A few of these are rather disingenuous.
 
Hayward. Both of those guys are a joke as a #1 option. Unless we think they're the only guys we can get as our #1, we need to be asking who's a better complementary piece. If we get somebody like Jabari, then Hayward is going to look really, really good. His averages, and consistency, will come up, and all the other components of his game will become more important. If (big if) we get a legit go-to guy, then Burks skill set becomes less important and redundant. I do not believe he will be a #1 option. Perhaps a Nick Young on a lottery team. I know that's an offensive thought because he has some really good and unique skills. But so does Nick Young.
 
Fixed.


Demarre's free throw has dropped 10%.
Millsap's 2pt % and overall % dropped in Atlanta.
Jeremy Evans has improved considerably outside the paint.
Mo Williams improved in Utah.
Randolph Foye had a career shooting season in Utah.
Marvin Williams improved in Utah.
Derrick Favors has improved each season.
Devin Harris improved in Utah.

Don't let stats get in the way of inventing drama, DQ.
Your constant defense of Ty and twisted view of reality convinces me you are probably one of Ty's children.

DeMarre was QUOTED as saying his game improved by having a coach actually work with him for the first time.
And maybe YOU should actually hire a fact checker before posting.

1. DeMarre shot 76.5% from the line in 2012-13 (entire season with Utah). He shot 77.3 last season in Atlanta. Where's the drop? More importantly, his FG percentage went up from 46-47% (marginal), but his 3-pt FG% improved from 29% to 36%. And equally important, he became a REAL 3-pt threat, shooting 268 in Atlanta vs. 70 in Utah. Sounds to me like his coach in Atlanta found a "hidden" talent, developed it and exploited it.

2. I'd call Millsap a wash. True, his FG% decreased from 49% to 46%, but he was allowed to take more 3's and hit them at a better rate (212 attempts vs. 39 in Utah and 35.8% vs. 33.3% in Utah). He also carried a heavier scoring load with Aldridge out and increased his points per game to a CAREER high 17.9. Again, it appears Atlanta put more emphasis on spreading the floor with Paul and he was utilized offensively more in line with what Sloan had done (Millsap's avg in 2010/11 was 17.3).

3. Mo Williams had statistically the same season as he had previously (.4 percent higher on FG5, but .6 lower on his 3-pt fg%). As for assists, you have to remember he was NOT the PG in LA in 2011-12. They had a pretty good one named Chris Paul. Maybe you've heard of him. So Mo played SG most of the time after he was traded in 2010-11. In Utah, he DID play PG and his assist totals were about the same as he had the two years previously in Cleveland. If you want to split hairs, though, his assists totals were 6.6 and 7.1 in Cleveland, so he technically declined in Utah at only 6.2. I mention this because you argue sometimes at the margins.

4. Devin Harris was an all-star one season in New Jersey, IIRC. He then played on some dismal teams. After declining a couple of seasons to 15 pts/per, he averaged SLIGHTLY more points (15.8) right after the trade for 17 games, then declined to 11.3 in 2011-12. His shooting % did increase back to his early NJ days, but his assists went down. Oh, and since FT% is such an important measuring tool to you, Harris actually shot 9.4% lower than his previous season in NJ. So to say he "improved" is quite a stretch. I'd call this one a wash - at best.

5. Jeremy Evans - has definitely improved. Good for him. He's still a 9th/10th guy off the bench, so not as thrilled as you must be to give credit to your dad.

6. Derrick Favors - marginal improvement. Was a "project" when he was drafted. Most of us would argue he still hasn't improved enough vs. the potential he has. Need to withhold judgment until he's worked with another coach. Oh yeah, he did work during the last offseason with Malone. It was Favors' request to do so. But again, give the glory to your father for any improvement Favors has made.

7. Foye - career averages of 41%/38%. Shot 40%/41% with Utah. 3-PT FG% was about the same as he had in 07-08 with Minnesota. He had a good year in Utah. Last season he shot 41%/38% with Denver. Very slight advantage to "improving" in Utah. Take a bow Ty, your vet did good for you two years ago!

8. Marvin - was he a starter, was he a sub? Ty could never quite decide on his role. His last season in Atlanta, he averaged 10.2 pts and shot 43%/39%. His two years in Utah: 7.2 pts 42%/33% and 9.1 pts on 44%/36%. Sorry, I fail to see how he improved under Ty and his coaching staff.

So franklin, maybe do some actual RESEARCH and back up your claims before calling me a drama queen. But if you remain true to your previous MO you will completely ignore this post and make the same false claims again.
 
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