Hayward's Woes

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Overpaid regardless IMHO. He's the 6th best paid player in the league, but he's not the 6th best player. Still, for a team like the Jazz, that's probably what you have to do to keep your all-star calibre players.

That's not how it works.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And we all know what a heartless bastard Ainge -- didn't he trade Crowder the day his mother died, and you know IT was dealing with the tragic death of his sister. Cold-blooded bastard Ainge should get what's coming to him.

You acting like Ainge fired them and made them lose money. Being traded is part of the NBA. If you don't want yo be traded, take a pay cut to get a no trade clause or get a trade kicker so your less attractive in a trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I never thought he was a max guy. He had one good year and the Celtics threw max money at him. I’m glad he left. I don’t think DM is who he is if Hayward were still here. Boston is seeing the false gold that I always believed he truly was. I was never a hater of his game. But I never saw him as top player in this league.


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None of that makes sense. Many guards had career years next to Hayward. None of those guys where volume shooters like Mitchell, but its not like Hayward hogged the ball or took a ton of shots. Paul George still manages to put up ridiculous stats next to Westbrook, so I don't see why Mitchell couldn't do so with Hayward.

The fact is the Jazz would be really ****ing good if Hayward stayed.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Question: do you think that Hayward's difficulties are due to the injury or do you consider him an overrated player?

Its obviously the injury, though the adjustment to all new teammates, role, and system has probably slowed his improvement timeline.

He was never overrated at all. He was always underrated. He was probably over discussed after the injury, but people love a possible redemption story.

 

[candrew]

Its obviously the injury, though the adjustment to all new teammates, role, and system has probably slowed his improvement timeline.

He was never overrated at all. He was always underrated. He was probably over discussed after the injury, but people love a possible redemption story.

He's underrated? So he deserves more than a max deal?

Hayward will never be as good for The Celtics as he was his all-star year in Utah and he's not as bad as he's playing right now - his value is somewhere between those two points. What that exact value is we don't know yet; but I can guarantee you that value is not commensurate with being the 6th highest paid player in the NBA - not even ****ing close.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's underrated? So he deserves more than a max deal?

Hayward will never be as good for The Celtics as he was his all-star year in Utah and he's not as bad as he's playing right now - his value is somewhere between those two points. What that exact value is we don't know yet; but I can guarantee you that value is not commensurate with being the 6th highest paid player in the NBA - not even ****ing close.

Again, that's not how contracts work and everyone here should be smart enough to realize that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The construct of a "max" contract eliminates the ability to accurately deduct a rating based on contract.

 

[LoPo]

Hayward was never as good as some on here made him out to be. All things considered, Hayward was worth a max with us because we don't attract max type players but he wasn't worth the max with Boston because they do.

Even at his best, he wasn't as good as Tatum was last postseason. At his normal, Hayward is Jalen Brown without Brown's upside. Boston was short sighted to sign Hayward. His contract will end up ruining what could have been a dynasty for Boston.

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[MVP]

You act like it wasn’t 100% clear he was not re-signing with the jazz.

I do not remember it being 100% clear. He clashed with Sloan but after Sloan retired he felt like it is his team now and was shocked and unhappy about the trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I do not remember it being 100% clear. He clashed with Sloan but after Sloan retired he felt like it is his team now and was shocked and unhappy about the trade.

He said it

 

[JazzyFresh]

He's soft and always has been. Maybe it's just me being a hater but I can't think of one time he displayed an ounce of leadership his entire time in Utah. A majority of the moves he's made have displayed insecurities and playing second fiddle. The way he left Utah for example, he starved for the attention knowing full well that he was leaving. His ego needed the attention.

In Boston he's simply scared and lacks the confident leadership they need. His talent is not the issue, his insecure, immature, meekness is. The best thing for him would be to go somewhere where he's coddled like he was here. Where people appreciate his talent rather than expecting him to be something he is not. A leader of a championship team.

 

[LoPo]

He's soft and always has been. Maybe it's just me being a hater but I can't think of one time he displayed an ounce of leadership his entire time in Utah. A majority of the moves he's made have displayed insecurities and playing second fiddle. The way he left Utah for example, he starved for the attention knowing full well that he was leaving. His ego needed the attention.

In Boston he's simply scared and lacks the confident leadership they need. His talent is not the issue, his insecure, immature, meekness is. The best thing for him would be to go somewhere where he's coddled like he was here. Where people appreciate his talent rather than expecting him to be something he is not. A leader of a championship team.

Good post.

Gordon should get sent to Charlotte where he wanted to go the first time he tried to leave. There, he can be pretty good and fans will say he is good. They can stomach his contract because he is better than what they have. He will do better with lower expectations.

Boston should surrender a pick to dump him to Charlotte. Seems like a win win.

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