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Hendricks ~ Rodman?

fishonjazz said:
Hendricks will be a great and versatile defender who runs the floor like a gazelle and drains threes at a high percentage. And a decent rebounder. Dont have a comp for that skillset though.
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Sure we do, Durant.
 
He is not Durant or Rodman. Those are superstars. Taylor could be a very good player, but he needs to improve his ball handling and he he needs to improve his 3p shooting percentage to become a good 3 & D player. He might get there, but he might not. What he really needs to improve is his confidence. Lets see how this year goes, i for one am very high on his improvement.
 
Hendricks has the potential to be pretty good. Right now, his mind is keeping him from being very good. I like what was said that he plays with different intensity levels. IF he could get consistent he could be very good. He will never be Rodman. He will never be durant. I like the comp of JJJ but hot sure he could score that well yet. Right now I am hoping he gets the Jaden MCDaniels level.
 
Chargers Jazz Angels said:
Hendricks has the potential to be pretty good. Right now, his mind is keeping him from being very good. I like what was said that he plays with different intensity levels. IF he could get consistent he could be very good. He will never be Rodman. He will never be durant. I like the comp of JJJ but hot sure he could score that well yet. Right now I am hoping he gets the Jaden MCDaniels level.
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I still think the most likely comp is Robert Covington with a bit more rim protection.
 
I’m not sure the next Rodman would get a chance to be great in this era. Non shooting forwards are tough. Not that he wouldn’t make it as a player but Dray might be the closest thing we see to Rodman from an all star type player. For Dray to be full Dray he needed Steph and Klay. Still would be awesome but more limited on offense in ways that would take him down a notch or two.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m not sure the next Rodman would get a chance to be great in this era. Non shooting forwards are tough. Not that he wouldn’t make it as a player but Dray might be the closest thing we see to Rodman from an all star type player. For Dray to be full Dray he needed Steph and Klay. Still would be awesome but more limited on offense in ways that would take him down a notch or two.
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Non shooter, non shot blocker and non playmaker. Basically the closest thing in the last 10 years was Vanderbilt and he was like half as good at rebounding.
 
Sometimes I wonder what you guys are watching.

J. Jackson is lumbersome and a true center. His is not fast.
Dennis Rodman was positionally small, a rebounding specialist, and did all the dirty work
Favors was a true PF, low post player with no shot outside of 18 feet. Strength and size were his best attributes.
Jeremy Evans was a slim bean pogo stick who coulnd't shoot

Half of these guys don't even play Tay Hey's position let alone share common body types or strengths!

Hendricks is a tall, long 3&D player. He shares a flare for blocking shots a la Myles Turner but he is not a center. He plays more like a SF so players that come to mind are more like Cam Johnson with more defensive focus. Maybe a touch more like Robert Horry due to the defensive mindset but it looks like he can become a capable shooter. HH - Jaden McDaniels is a fair comp too.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Sometimes I wonder what you guys are watching.

J. Jackson is lumbersome and a true center. His is not fast.
Dennis Rodman was positionally small, a rebounding specialist, and did all the dirty work
Favors was a true PF, low post player with no shot outside of 18 feet. Strength and size were his best attributes.
Jeremy Evans was a slim bean pogo stick who coulnd't shoot

Half of these guys don't even play Tay Hey's position let alone share common body types or strengths!

Hendricks is a tall, long 3&D player. He shares a flare for blocking shots a la Myles Turner but he is not a center. He plays more like a SF so players that come to mind are more like Cam Johnson with more defensive focus. Maybe a touch more like Robert Horry due to the defensive mindset but it looks like he can become a capable shooter. HH - Jaden McDaniels is a fair comp too.
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Jackson is definitely not lumbering.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Non shooter, non shot blocker and non playmaker. Basically the closest thing in the last 10 years was Vanderbilt and he was like half as good at rebounding.
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I was trying to think of an All-Star type comp but yeah... Imagine Vando was a better rebounder and much better defender.

For Tay Henny if it works out he is some sort of mix of McDaniels, RoCo, PJ Washington or if he trends more towards being a big and not a wing/big maybe a more dynamic Maxi Kleber (when he was healthy and shooting well).

If he adds more to his game he might break out of those role player types but I am not sure that is where I would focus if I was him or the Jazz.
 
And I honestly don't get the worry from the fanbase and some of the beat writers about Taylor. He was 12/8 with 2.5 stocks per 36 last year while having very little understanding of where to be last year. He was solid in many defensive situations and 38% from 3. I get he is raw but even as raw as he really isn't negative. Think they just need to let him play through some stuff and live with the bumps.
 
KqWIN said:
Jaden McDaniels has somehow become the most "compared to" player of all time lol.
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Its true but its somewhat applicable here lol. Even down to the sometimes dumbass things Taylor will do that Jaden still does. Homie you got 2 fouls in the 1st quarter don't pick up the 3rd reaching 60 feet from the hoop at the start of the second quarter.
 
I think one of the things that kinda works against Taylor here is his ideal position is where Lauri's is. Not that they are the same player and you can play multiple guys like that obviously... it might just not be ideal for Taylor personally.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its true but its somewhat applicable here lol. Even down to the sometimes dumbass things Taylor will do that Jaden still does. Homie you got 2 fouls in the 1st quarter don't pick up the 3rd reaching 60 feet from the hoop at the start of the second quarter.
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I don't see it as a great comparison because almost all of Jaden's value is as perimeter on ball defender, and I don't see Hendricks as that type of defender at all. It doesn't mean Hendricks is/will be a bad defender, just different. He's probably not going to be picking up PG's full court and navigating screens like Jaden. Again, I don't think Hendricks is slow or anything....just a way different kind of athlete and way different kind of defender.

Where I do see the comparison is that they probably will never be guys that dribble/make decisions on offense. Both very basic and rudimentary, although I'd say you'd hope TH's shooting becomes a lot better. IDK....always felt odd to compare players on the smallest parts of their game.

I think Covington is a more reasonable comparison who was a much different type of defender than Jaden. Though I think the "RoCo worst case scenario" praise was a little ridiculous for TH before the draft.
 
I think the realistic ceiling for Taylor is a RoCo+ type. The plus would be as a better one-on-one defender and a consistent volume three point shooter. Maybe applies more rim pressure as he is bigger. He may not ever be that disruptive as RoCo was a deflections god.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't see it as a great comparison because almost all of Jaden's value is as perimeter on ball defender, and I don't see Hendricks as that type of defender at all. It doesn't mean Hendricks is/will be a bad defender, just different. He's probably not going to be picking up PG's full court and navigating screens like Jaden. Again, I don't think Hendricks is slow or anything....just a way different kind of athlete and way different kind of defender.

Where I do see the comparison is that they probably will never be guys that dribble/make decisions on offense. Both very basic and rudimentary, although I'd say you'd hope TH's shooting becomes a lot better. IDK....always felt odd to compare players on the smallest parts of their game.

I think Covington is a more reasonable comparison who was a much different type of defender than Jaden. Though I think the "RoCo worst case scenario" praise was a little ridiculous for TH before the draft.
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All pretty fair. Taylor did well some nights as a one-on-one guy but yes his size and lateral movement will prevent him from being as sticky as Jaden is on the perimeter and he likely isn't as versatile on the perimeter. He's just somewhere on that player type continuum. Jaden is also an ideal prototypical SF and Taylor is more of a tweener and based on his program and weight gain... he likely trend to a 4 that can pretend or get spot minutes at the 5.

Taylor has a pretty clear path to being a high level role player. That isn't ideal if you wanted a star out of that pick but he could impact the game significantly while letting and aiding stars with their starness.

At very least lets have him get out there and show the flashes and then we can overhype him like other fanbases do to their young guys and declare him untouchable in star player trades.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
All pretty fair. Taylor did well some nights as a one-on-one guy but yes his size and lateral movement will prevent him from being as sticky as Jaden is on the perimeter and he likely isn't as versatile on the perimeter. He's just somewhere on that player type continuum. Jaden is also an ideal prototypical SF and Taylor is more of a tweener and based on his program and weight gain... he likely trend to a 4 that can pretend or get spot minutes at the 5.

Taylor has a pretty clear path to being a high level role player. That isn't ideal if you wanted a star out of that pick but he could impact the game significantly while letting and aiding stars with their starness.

At very least lets have him get out there and show the flashes and then we can overhype him like other fanbases do to their young guys and declare him untouchable in star player trades.
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It's odd to me why people want to use Jaden McDaniels as a comparison so much lol. Like I can understand why people compared everyone to Draymond, Mitchell, Shai or whoever because hope is what keeps this league going....but Jaden isn't even the most amazing player.

For me, TH is probably like Pat Williams and a high outcome would be like Covington. Of course any player can go beyond their supposed "ceiling", but passable offensive player + first team all defense is a very high outcome for Taylor. If he gets to his high end outcomes, it won't look much like Jaden and probably like RoCo where he's more of an off ball dynamo..I just don't think they play the same defensive roles/are similar athletes. It's wayyy more likely Hendricks goes the 4/5 direction than he goes more towards being a heavy perimeter defender.

3 years from now, I think he will be like Pat where we know he is worth a lot of money but less certain if he's even good or not. Or he could be Dennis Rodman, who knows.
 
KqWIN said:
It's odd to me why people want to use Jaden McDaniels as a comparison so much lol. Like I can understand why people compared everyone to Draymond, Mitchell, Shai or whoever because hope is what keeps this league going....but Jaden isn't even the most amazing player.

For me, TH is probably like Pat Williams and a high outcome would be like Covington. Of course any player can go beyond their supposed "ceiling", but passable offensive player + first team all defense is a very high outcome for Taylor. If he gets to his high end outcomes, it won't look much like Jaden and probably like RoCo where he's more of an off ball dynamo..I just don't think they play the same defensive roles/are similar athletes. It's wayyy more likely Hendricks goes the 4/5 direction than he goes more towards being a heavy perimeter defender.

3 years from now, I think he will be like Pat where we know he is worth a lot of money but less certain if he's even good or not. Or he could be Dennis Rodman, who knows.
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McDaniels is the one who got away... well one of the ones that got away. He's also just the prototypical role player 3 and D guy that you can compare guys too without it being wild. He is new Mikal Bridges lol.

Pat would work kinda I just think Pat's mystery is more about time lost to injury. I think we kinda know how good he is. From a body standpoint its a great comp. I don't know if Pat wants to be a 3 and D guy. But yeah I would put him on the continuum of players Taylor could be. I hope Taylor's motor runs hotter and he shoots more threes.

We will see... I think there is a low likelihood we look at Taylor as a bust. We will almost certainly wish we had taken at least one guy that was taken after him instead of him... but that isn't the measure of a successful pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
McDaniels is the one who got away... well one of the ones that got away. He's also just the prototypical role player 3 and D guy that you can compare guys too without it being wild. He is new Mikal Bridges lol.

Pat would work kinda I just think Pat's mystery is more about time lost to injury. I think we kinda know how good he is. From a body standpoint its a great comp. I don't know if Pat wants to be a 3 and D guy. But yeah I would put him on the continuum of players Taylor could be. I hope Taylor's motor runs hotter and he shoots more threes.

We will see... I think there is a low likelihood we look at Taylor as a bust. We will almost certainly wish we had taken at least one guy that was taken after him instead of him... but that isn't the measure of a successful pick.
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Jaden doesn’t even have the 3 part down yet lol. I feel like the one who really got away was Herb….Im not sure how many people even know Herb is in the league but Jaden is talked about like crazy haha.

I’d agree that TH has low bust potential. I don’t want to say we know who he is….but there’s not a lot of imagination needed to see where he can go. His biggest case as a prospect was how easy it was to project him as a role player.
 
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