He's baaa-aaaack

[Archie Moses]

No, MM blew that. That's a horrible call with a mediocre at best o-line going against a solid d-line, especially when the QB's not a strong Culpepper-like one. Play action or not, Vick should have been rolling out AND IN SPACE. Then, he could make the decision to run or throw, preferably run of course.

Horrible call? I disagree. They only needed a yard and most coaches trust their team to get a yard. If you watch the video, it was actually the TE that let a LB who was lined about at DE blow right by him to stop Vick before he could pick up the first down. How can you not put the blame on that guy? If he picks up that block it's gonna be a first down.

Here's a replay of it. Watch the last play at the end and tell me you can't blame the TE for that lazy attempt of a block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBm-escvbGc

 

[TheItinerantSon]

umm if the plan was for brent celek (TE) to physically beat Mathews (LB) at the point of attack - and you're mad at celek for not doing it....thats just delusional...

They hadnt gotten any push all game (which i understand, as they were missing their center and their FB) why are they trying to go up the middle there?

dtol is absolutely right.


Also, to whoever made the comment about this being typical vick because he had good stats but blew the crucial play... unless your contention is that manning, brees and brady are the only good quarterbacks in the nfl, you're an idiot. Vick's win/loss percentage in ATL adjusted for the quality of his teams defense speaks for itself.

 

[TheItinerantSon]

Said Packers middle linebacker Nick Barnett: “They put in Michael Vick – that was the adjustment. They ran the same routes and the same offense, but we had to account for him. There were times I was chasing him and tried to take the right angle, but all of a sudden the angle changed.”

god i missed him.

 

[Archie Moses]

umm if the plan was for brent celek (TE) to physically beat Mathews (LB) at the point of attack - and you're mad at celek for not doing it....thats just delusional...

They hadnt gotten any push all game (which i understand, as they were missing their center and their FB) why are they trying to go up the middle there?

dtol is absolutely right.


Also, to whoever made the comment about this being typical vick because he had good stats but blew the crucial play... unless your contention is that manning, brees and brady are the only good quarterbacks in the nfl, you're an idiot. Vick's win/loss percentage in ATL adjusted for the quality of his teams defense speaks for itself.

I don't know why people think it's delusional to expect any NFL TE to block a LB. That's just crazy imo. I mean, yeah they could have called a different play, but I bet 99% of coaches would call a play up the middle on a 4 and 1 rather than do some sweep/boot leg/play maker type of play. (Besides, this play wasn't up the 1 hole, it was up the 5 hole, which is hardly up the middle.) Reed had confidence that he could get one yard on this call. This is hardly the coaches fault. It's the players.

 

[KatieMCR]

God why didn't the Niners take a chance on signing Vick when he came back to the NFL??!! Seriously, it's not like they had a proven starting QB on the roster. Not only that, but they also didn't try to make a move for McNabb. It sure does suck being a Niners fan sometimes.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

Vick is such an electric football player.. very few guys can get me on the edge of my seat wanting to watch every single play when they're on the field like Vick can. Just watching him take off out of the backfield during the highlights I caught on Sunday night brought back a lot of memories and cheering on the Falcons in what seems like ages ago.

I really hope this guy has another good few years in him and that whatever team he's on will start him, because damn, he is so gifted and draws so much attention, you can't afford not to put him in the game.

Like they were saying on the NFL network's highlight show, the Philly offense was 100% different with Vick in the game versus Kolb. And I'm sure Kolb is a decent quarterback (was terrible on Sunday even before getting hurt), you need to go with the guy that charges your team up like that if it's a close QB battle. If you can't play him, you at least need to trade him now because I'm sure his value is skyrocketing after what he showed us on Sunday.

It's good to see him back like he was on Sunday. Easily the most electric athlete in the NFL. He has one good game after 4 years, looks to be in game shape finally, and everyone is talking about him.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

I also thought that final play for the Eagles was a horrible call. Vick isn't a guy that you use to get you 1 yard. You need to use a fullback or at least a running back and let him punch through a guy that might be there for the stop. But still, 1 yard and you call a typical QB draw play? It's so obvious their strategy must have been to call the obvious play in hopes that the defense thinks they wouldn't be that dumb to try it. And yeah you can blame it on blocking or whatever, but you can't expect that many blocks to hold up to let Vick slip through and gain a yard or two. Terrible play call, especially when GB's defense is already pretty good in terms of their front 7 and not getting pushed around by an O-line very often.

 

[Archie Moses]

I also thought that final play for the Eagles was a horrible call. Vick isn't a guy that you use to get you 1 yard. You need to use a fullback or at least a running back and let him punch through a guy that might be there for the stop. But still, 1 yard and you call a typical QB draw play? It's so obvious their strategy must have been to call the obvious play in hopes that the defense thinks they wouldn't be that dumb to try it. And yeah you can blame it on blocking or whatever, but you can't expect that many blocks to hold up to let Vick slip through and gain a yard or two. Terrible play call.

If it's so terrible, why is it called so often in both the NFL and College FB? Plus, which team actually dishes the ball off the the FB in the NFL?


I sometimes wonder if people on here actually watch and understand football. If they had run a sweep, then I can see why people are pissed, but Vick up the 5 hole for 1 yard is a terrible call? Come on man, you smoking suga cubes.

 

[C l u t c H 385]

Hide your puppies...

 

[Archie Moses]

Michael Vick is a productive scrambler when he's a duel threat with passing options, not on 4th and 1. Dude is gonna have 11 very angry men chase him down.

 

[unluckyseventeen]

If it's so terrible, why is it called so often in both the NFL and College FB? Plus, which team actually dishes the ball off the the FB in the NFL?


I sometimes wonder if people on here actually watch and understand football. If they had run a sweep, then I can see why people are pissed, but Vick up the 5 hole for 1 yard is a terrible call? Come on man, you smoking suga cubes.

You know, the reason it works most of the time is because you get a quick snap while the defense isn't really ready (from an under-center position), and your entire team essentially falls forward to get that 1 yard. You don't run a QB draw out of the Shotgun after a 2-minute warning break and expect the defense to not know what is coming.

Also, to answer your question, not a ton of teams hand off to the FB because not a lot of teams scout for FB's anymore. Think of the early 2000's Tampa Bay Bucs. Alstott was money every time he touched the ball near the goalline. There's plenty of proof out there that a big dude carrying the ball to get 1 or 2 yards is a plenty reasonable option. It's at least better than running a QB draw out of the shotgun. Hell, even bootleg Vick on a fake handoff and let him race Green Bay's linebackers to get those yards. He was killing them all night.

Watching that video again, look how soft Green Bay's corners are playing on the right side. Vick could have picked up that yard by getting to the outside with no problem at all.

 

[Archie Moses]

You know, the reason it works most of the time is because you get a quick snap while the defense isn't really ready (from an under-center position), and your entire team essentially falls forward to get that 1 yard. You don't run a QB draw out of the Shotgun after a 2-minute warning break and expect the defense to not know what is coming.

That's what made the call great imo. It was a good call with bad execution. Who would have thought Vick was gonna take it up the 5 after a shotgun snap? Plus, it was for only 1 yard. It would be like the QB handing the ball off, but instead it was snapped directly to Vick. The FB, Weaver, was out and injured so Vick could have given the ball to a buck 98 pound RB, J. Maclin, or the other option was to dish it off to McCoy. No thanks!