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Hood traded to Cleveland for Crowder; Johnson to Sacramento

NAOS said:
But don't you think it's clear that you'll always bristle at the decisions DL makes? I mean, I don't agree with DL 100% of the time... but I'm not losing sleep over it, either. You seem to have bloodshot eyes. Just saying.

You seem more like a Boston Celtics fan to me.
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How come? I don't like the direction DL chose in the summer. Most of my beefs with DL's decisions can be traced back to that. It's only natural to not like the signings and trades having in mind they are part of the direction he chose. With that said DL has plenty of leeway having in mind how he's acquired 2 franchise pieces for close to nothing.

People think that since I don't like his choice of direction, I must not like him as a GM or something, which is not true. He's proven to know what he's doing and I bet we will be alright even with this direction... we just would have lower ceiling IMO. He hasn't made any disastrous decisions. He hasn't set us back like the Hornets or Nets or ... Detroit... It's just that I think we could have had higher ceiling with a single year tank...
 
The main difference I see with Crowder is that he is getting to the line almost 6 times as much as Cleveland Hood. Utah Hood got to the line a lot more than Cleveland Hood as well. If you want to make Crowder a spot up shooter on the 3 point line, he is a suboptimal player. Crowder needs to be in motion.

Hood being in motion with the ball is a good thing too. That isn't going to happen in Cleveland. Hood is a better player than what he is going to show in Cleveland. The media spotlight is going to shine Sooooo much brighter there, I suspect Hood will come to recall fondly the soft gloves of the Utah media. No one is going to blame Lebron when the Cavs flame out before the finals. The knives will be out for Hood.
 
framer said:
The main difference I see with Crowder is that he is getting to the line almost 6 times as much as Cleveland Hood. Utah Hood got to the line a lot more than Cleveland Hood as well. If you want to make Crowder a spot up shooter on the 3 point line, he is a suboptimal player. Crowder needs to be in motion.

Hood being in motion with the ball is a good thing too. That isn't going to happen in Cleveland. Hood is a better player than what he is going to show in Cleveland. The media spotlight is going to shine Sooooo much brighter there, I suspect Hood will come to recall fondly the soft gloves of the Utah media. No one is going to blame Lebron when the Cavs flame out before the finals. The knives will be out for Hood.
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One of the things I've loved about Crowder is his movement off-ball and his cuts. Very nice.
 
Crowder brings to the jazz what we always desired from Hood but Rodney just couldn't bring it consistently with his shot and heath wise because he was a sissy with injuries.

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stitches said:
How come? I don't like the direction DL chose in the summer. Most of my beefs with DL's decisions can be traced back to that. It's only natural to not like the signings and trades having in mind they are part of the direction he chose. With that said DL has plenty of leeway having in mind how he's acquired 2 franchise pieces for close to nothing.

People think that since I don't like his choice of direction, I must not like him as a GM or something, which is not true. He's proven to know what he's doing and I bet we will be alright even with this direction... we just would have lower ceiling IMO. He hasn't made any disastrous decisions. He hasn't set us back like the Hornets or Nets or ... Detroit... It's just that I think we could have had higher ceiling with a single year tank...
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A single tank year. Was there ever a chance of being as bad as the worst 9-10 teams this year?

Even with all the injuries the Jazz had, they've been way better than the likes of Orlando, Phoenix, Memphis, Dallas, Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta and Chicago. Maybe, just maybe, Utah could have been in the next tier with the likes of NY, Charlotte, Detroit and the Lakers.

But how do you do that? It's not like Udoh and Jerbeko have been winning games. Thabo was a decent contributor, but can you really say he was the difference between winning and losing a lot of games before he got hurt?

Clearly, you want to tell the team that all is lost and because Hayward left, we're now tanking. I'm sure Gobert would be fine with playing ~25 mins and sitting on the bench for most of the 4th watching subs squander leads. And limit Mitchell, because he's just a rookie, to 15 mins/per. Instead, start Burks and give him 30 mins. Favors? Traded so Bradley could start.

There was ZERO chance - outside of getting rid of Gobert and Mitchell (or winning a top-3 pick in the lottery) - that Utah was going to end up with a top-7 pick. There are just too many really bad teams (8 teams right now with 21 wins or less).
 
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Jack Strop said:
A single tank year. Was there ever a chance of being as bad as the worst 9-10 teams this year?

Even with all the injuries the Jazz had, they've been way better than the likes of Orlando, Phoenix, Memphis, Dallas, Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta and Chicago. Maybe, just maybe, Utah could have been in the next tier with the likes of NY, Charlotte, Detroit and the Lakers.

But how do you do that? It's not like Udoh and Jerbeko have been winning games. Thabo was a decent contributor, but can you really say he was the difference between winning and losing a lot of games before he got hurt?

Clearly, you want to tell the team that all is lost and because Hayward left, we're now tanking. I'm sure Gobert would be fine with playing ~25 mins and sitting on the bench for most of the 4th watching subs squander leads. And limit Mitchell, because he's just a rookie, to 15 mins/per. Instead, start Burks and give him 30 mins. Favors? Traded so Bradley could start.

There was ZERO chance - outside of getting rid of Gobert and Mitchell (or winning a top-3 pick in the lottery) - that Utah was going to end up with a top-7 pick. There are just too many really bad teams (8 teams right now with 21 wins or less).
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It was so bleak for a bit there that I went into tank mode, and that was a mistake. I had my eye on the prize of a good pick and with the way we were playing I didn't think we had a chance of making the playoffs. But as my best "Jazz buddy" told me, to truly tank you would bring in a losing culture which could prove difficult to turn around into a winning one. In hindsight he was probably right. Unless you're ready to fire a coach and gut a team, tanking is probably a bad idea.
 
Does any of you stat guru's know what Mitchell is averaging in points rebounds and assists since after his slow start when he was put into the starting lineup?
 
Jack Strop said:
A single tank year. Was there ever a chance of being as bad as the worst 9-10 teams this year?

Even with all the injuries the Jazz had, they've been way better than the likes of Orlando, Phoenix, Memphis, Dallas, Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta and Chicago. Maybe, just maybe, Utah could have been in the next tier with the likes of NY, Charlotte, Detroit and the Lakers.

But how do you do that? It's not like Udoh and Jerbeko have been winning games. Thabo was a decent contributor, but can you really say he was the difference between winning and losing a lot of games before he got hurt?

Clearly, you want to tell the team that all is lost and because Hayward left, we're now tanking. I'm sure Gobert would be fine with playing ~25 mins and sitting on the bench for most of the 4th watching subs squander leads. And limit Mitchell, because he's just a rookie, to 15 mins/per. Instead, start Burks and give him 30 mins. Favors? Traded so Bradley could start.

There was ZERO chance - outside of getting rid of Gobert and Mitchell (or winning a top-3 pick in the lottery) - that Utah was going to end up with a top-7 pick. There are just too many really bad teams (8 teams right now with 21 wins or less).
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We didn't have a chance once we chose to sign good depth and rotational pieces for the team in the summer. Once you do that, you automatically raise the floor for the team even in case of injuries, this is the anti-tank move. Also Mitchell was better than I expected and he's the other reason we probably couldn't have lost as many games as most of the tanking teams.
 
Crowder can't shoot like Hood but he does everything else better, especially on defense. You don't mess with Crowder either, but step on Hoody's toe and he's out for two weeks.
 
freakazoid said:
The last decade isn't really relevant. We should only be looking at DL's drafting record.

Trey Burke
Rudy Gobert
Rodney Hood
Trey Lyles
Donovan Mitchell

That's 3 out of 5 and Lyles could still end up being a decent pick, even though I'd call it a fail for passing on Booker when this team desperately needed shooting and the best shooter in that draft fell right in our laps, only to be passed on.

Still, that's 3 excellent picks out of 5 for DL, and twice he got a top 2 player in the draft with picks some people don't value much. Mitchell may very well end up thee best player in his draft class, which is saying something as it's one of the best in years.

Every team in the league would be happy with that kind of draft record. It's really only unrealistic fans who expect a home run with every pick who would question DL's ability to draft well.
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Mitchell and Gobert, Burke were never drafted by DL or the Utah Jazz. DL does get credit for trading for them after the Draft, but this is not only obviously rare to improve dramatically with a draft-time trade but also very lucky. Either way, DL deserves extraordinary credit either way.
You left out many many busts throughout the last decade.

2007
Drafted: Morris Almond (amounted to nothing in the NBA)
passed on:
Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Carl Landry, Marc Gasol

2009
Drafted: Eric Maynor (Out of the NBA within several years)
passed on:
Taj Gibson, Demarre Carrol (it was a weak draft, no doubt about it)

2010
Drafted: Gordon Hayward (obvious draft choice at 9th overall) Credit to DL

2011
Drafted: Enes Kanter & Alec Burks.
Kanter and Novak eventually trade for Pliess, Kendrick Perkins, Grant Jarrett and future Thunder 1st rounder. (Waste of Kanter's value)

passed on ahead of Burkes:
Markeiff and Marcus Morris, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Dantes Montejunas, Nikola Mirotic, Isaiah Thomas, among others. (Huge Fail)

2013
Drafted: Shabazz Muhammed
Gorgui Dieng
Erick Green

Passed on, Giannis Antetokounmpo, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams,
The Good, WE GOT GOBERT THROUGH TRADE.

2014
Drafted: Dante Exum (Weak Draft, but probably a bust)
Rodney Hood
Passed on for Exum alone:
Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Nik Stauskas, Zach Lavine, Gary Harris.
Traded Hood for essentially nothing and passed on:
Jordan Clarkson

2016
Drafted: Taurine Prince
Passed on:
Denzel Valentine
Malik Beasley
Juan Hernangomez
(Weak draft, easy to miss)

We made a couple of great trades to acquire, Mitchell and Gobert, but our draft record speaks for itself.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Mitchell and Gobert, Burke were never drafted by DL or the Utah Jazz. DL does get credit for trading for them after the Draft, but this is not only obviously rare to improve dramatically with a draft-time trade but also very lucky. Either way, DL deserves extraordinary credit either way.
You left out many many busts throughout the last decade.

2007
Drafted: Morris Almond (amounted to nothing in the NBA)
passed on:
Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Carl Landry, Marc Gasol

2009
Drafted: Eric Maynor (Out of the NBA within several years)
passed on:
Taj Gibson, Demarre Carrol (it was a weak draft, no doubt about it)

2010
Drafted: Gordon Hayward (obvious draft choice at 9th overall) Credit to DL

2011
Drafted: Enes Kanter & Alec Burks.
Kanter and Novak eventually trade for Pliess, Kendrick Perkins, Grant Jarrett and future Thunder 1st rounder. (Waste of Kanter's value)

passed on ahead of Burkes:
Markeiff and Marcus Morris, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Dantes Montejunas, Nikola Mirotic, Isaiah Thomas, among others. (Huge Fail)

2013
Drafted: Shabazz Muhammed
Gorgui Dieng
Erick Green

Passed on, Giannis Antetokounmpo, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams,
The Good, WE GOT GOBERT THROUGH TRADE.

2014
Drafted: Dante Exum (Weak Draft, but probably a bust)
Rodney Hood
Passed on for Exum alone:
Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Nik Stauskas, Zach Lavine, Gary Harris.
Traded Hood for essentially nothing and passed on:
Jordan Clarkson

2016
Drafted: Taurine Prince
Passed on:
Denzel Valentine
Malik Beasley
Juan Hernangomez
(Weak draft, easy to miss)

We made a couple of great trades to acquire, Mitchell and Gobert, but our draft record speaks for itself.
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Soooo much silliness here. But I will point out the most obvious. Dennis Lindsey started working for the Jazz in 2012. Second, the Jazz ABSOLUTELY drafted Mitchell, Gobert, and Burke. They didn't say, "Tell you what, we are going to trade for your draft pick and you just select someone for us, we trust your judgement!" C'mon, now!
 
framer said:
Soooo much silliness here. But I will point out the most obvious. Dennis Lindsey started working for the Jazz in 2012. Second, the Jazz ABSOLUTELY drafted Mitchell, Gobert, and Burke. They didn't say, "Tell you what, we are going to trade for your draft pick and you just select someone for us, we trust your judgement!" C'mon, now!
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This
 
framer said:
Soooo much silliness here. But I will point out the most obvious. Dennis Lindsey started working for the Jazz in 2012. Second, the Jazz ABSOLUTELY drafted Mitchell, Gobert, and Burke. They didn't say, "Tell you what, we are going to trade for your draft pick and you just select someone for us, we trust your judgement!" C'mon, now!
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Agree. I hate how that information is relayed. The Nuggets never traded us Gobert and DM, they traded us the pick and then they selected them for the Jazz.

Nuggets fans dont need to be butthurt because they didnt have DL and never wohld have taken Gobert or DM regardless.
 
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Lakers_Slapper said:
Mitchell and Gobert, Burke were never drafted by DL or the Utah Jazz. DL does get credit for trading for them after the Draft, but this is not only obviously rare to improve dramatically with a draft-time trade but also very lucky. Either way, DL deserves extraordinary credit either way.
You left out many many busts throughout the last decade.

2007
Drafted: Morris Almond (amounted to nothing in the NBA)
passed on:
Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Carl Landry, Marc Gasol

2009
Drafted: Eric Maynor (Out of the NBA within several years)
passed on:
Taj Gibson, Demarre Carrol (it was a weak draft, no doubt about it)

2010
Drafted: Gordon Hayward (obvious draft choice at 9th overall) Credit to DL

2011
Drafted: Enes Kanter & Alec Burks.
Kanter and Novak eventually trade for Pliess, Kendrick Perkins, Grant Jarrett and future Thunder 1st rounder. (Waste of Kanter's value)

passed on ahead of Burkes:
Markeiff and Marcus Morris, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Dantes Montejunas, Nikola Mirotic, Isaiah Thomas, among others. (Huge Fail)

2013
Drafted: Shabazz Muhammed
Gorgui Dieng
Erick Green

Passed on, Giannis Antetokounmpo, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams,
The Good, WE GOT GOBERT THROUGH TRADE.

2014
Drafted: Dante Exum (Weak Draft, but probably a bust)
Rodney Hood
Passed on for Exum alone:
Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Nik Stauskas, Zach Lavine, Gary Harris.
Traded Hood for essentially nothing and passed on:
Jordan Clarkson

2016
Drafted: Taurine Prince
Passed on:
Denzel Valentine
Malik Beasley
Juan Hernangomez
(Weak draft, easy to miss)

We made a couple of great trades to acquire, Mitchell and Gobert, but our draft record speaks for itself.
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LMAO this is hilarious,
 
elan_prodigy said:
Agree. I hate how that information is relayed. The Nuggets never traded us Gobert and DM, they traded us the pick and then they selected them for the Jazz.

Nuggets fans dont need to be butthurt because they didnt have DL and never wohld have taken Gobert or DM regardless.
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I think it’s stupid that the NBA just doesn’t recognize a pick as as being traded until after the selection is made. Just account for traded picks like they do in any other professional sports draft.

It’s stupid to have a puck traded and then they go up on stage and put the wrong hat on. So dumb.
 
Ellis269 said:
I think it’s stupid that the NBA just doesn’t recognize a pick as as being traded until after the selection is made. Just account for traded picks like they do in any other professional sports draft.

It’s stupid to have a puck traded and then they go up on stage and put the wrong hat on. So dumb.
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Then we would have missed Mitchell's reaction upon learning he had been traded to the Jazz. Don't take that away from me!
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Mitchell and Gobert, Burke were never drafted by DL or the Utah Jazz. DL does get credit for trading for them after the Draft, but this is not only obviously rare to improve dramatically with a draft-time trade but also very lucky. Either way, DL deserves extraordinary credit either way.
You left out many many busts throughout the last decade.

2007
Drafted: Morris Almond (amounted to nothing in the NBA)
passed on:
Aaron Brooks, Arron Afflalo, Tiago Splitter, Carl Landry, Marc Gasol

2009
Drafted: Eric Maynor (Out of the NBA within several years)
passed on:
Taj Gibson, Demarre Carrol (it was a weak draft, no doubt about it)

2010
Drafted: Gordon Hayward (obvious draft choice at 9th overall) Credit to DL

2011
Drafted: Enes Kanter & Alec Burks.
Kanter and Novak eventually trade for Pliess, Kendrick Perkins, Grant Jarrett and future Thunder 1st rounder. (Waste of Kanter's value)

passed on ahead of Burkes:
Markeiff and Marcus Morris, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Reggie Jackson, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Dantes Montejunas, Nikola Mirotic, Isaiah Thomas, among others. (Huge Fail)

2013
Drafted: Shabazz Muhammed
Gorgui Dieng
Erick Green

Passed on, Giannis Antetokounmpo, CJ McCollum, Steven Adams,
The Good, WE GOT GOBERT THROUGH TRADE.

2014
Drafted: Dante Exum (Weak Draft, but probably a bust)
Rodney Hood
Passed on for Exum alone:
Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, Nik Stauskas, Zach Lavine, Gary Harris.
Traded Hood for essentially nothing and passed on:
Jordan Clarkson

2016
Drafted: Taurine Prince
Passed on:
Denzel Valentine
Malik Beasley
Juan Hernangomez
(Weak draft, easy to miss)

We made a couple of great trades to acquire, Mitchell and Gobert, but our draft record speaks for itself.
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