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Hood traded to Cleveland for Crowder; Johnson to Sacramento

Ron Mexico said:
Inlges plays good defense. But he also benefits from being able to be physical and aggressive since Gobert has his back. Crowder was a good defender last year and his defensive style will fit in well with that. Crowder is a better scorer, he can drive and get to the line along with being a better rebounder.

There are aspects of Ingles game I like better. The Ingles we have seen the last few games is great. The Ingles that disappears and refuses to shoot open shots is one we have seen a lot as well this year. He has been up and down this year. I just think Inlges needs a slightly smaller role.
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I understand some of this evaluation, but I don't quite get how Ingles having a smaller role marries up with him taking more shots? Am I missing something.
 
I am starting to worry the Jazz FO see Exum as a 2.... Is this really what people think his best position will be? Could he evolve into a 'small' 3?
 
Ron Mexico said:
Sure will!

These stats are for Ingles best year this year and Crowder's best year last year. I am hoping Crowder can get back to that. Inlges has been better than Crowder this year like I stated but I like Crowders potential to push Ingles for that SF spot next year if he can get back to Boston form or better.

Ingles vs Crowder

Age 30 vs 26 NBA players tend to decline at 30. Hopefully Ingles is the exception. Players are just entering their prime at 26. I think Crowder has room to grow and improve. Ingles has had the benefit of playing in a much better system this year.

Points 10.2 vs 13.9 Even per 100 or per 36 Crowder has outscrored Ingles. Some of this is due to Crowder shooting a little more but again that is a knock on Ingles, he passes up shots he should take. Although not during the last few games, so hopefully he keeps that up. Crowder can also score in more ways.

Rebounding 4.0 vs 5.8 Advanced rebounding stats also show Crowder is a better rebounder. I think he hustles all around more than Ingles. That is why he runs a lot more miles per game than Ingles. Ingles does try to body up his guy though. Crowder is just better.

3 point shooting 44.8% on 5.4 attempts vs 39.8% on 5.5 attempts. Ingles is a better shooter.

Inside scoring. Crowder is much better at scoring inside. His %s are better his attempts are way better. He gets to the FT line way more. Its not really close here. Crowder is a better scorer outside of jump shots.

Passing 4.1 vs 2.2 Ingles is a better passer. Ingles is a pass first guy unless he is open. Crowder is more of a scorer who is a willing passer but not nearly as good at it.

PER Ingles 13.2 vs Crowder 14.9 Crowder is better

TS% 62 vs 61 pretty close slight advantage for Ingles.

WS 3.8 vs 6.7 Huge advantage for Crowder

Vorp 1.7 vs 2.1

Offensive rating 113 vs 118 Crowder is better here. They are tied for the same defensive rating.

Defense is the big one for these two that I see both arguments. I think they are both good wing defenders and about the same. Ingles has been backed up in the post by Gobert and Crowder has had little to no post defense to rely on. Crowder is a better post defender and can defend the 4 a bit. Ingles gets abused there. Ingles had a great playoff series last year defensively which bumps him up a bit.

But Crowder also had a much bigger role than Ingles in the playoffs last year and really stepped up. Ingles stepped up defensively but that hurt him on offense where he shot much worse than usual and wasnt much of a factor on offense. Crowder shot the 3 better and 15 ppg in the playoffs. He was pretty big in the playoffs for Boston.


In conclusion they are both starter quality wings that are not all-star level or going to be all-star level. I think they are in similar tiers but I think Ingles role is better off the bench when he is allowed to do more with the ball and help create. They can play together well. I just think Crowder can push Ingles to start. He might not get the start over him but he could.

Again they are pretty similar tiered players and claiming Ingles is much better and its not close is a little silly. Just like saying the opposite would be.
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Have to respect the effort put in here...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hood was really efficient for the difficulty level of the shots he took. All he has to do is figure out how to get to the FT line a couple more times a game, which he was starting to show signs of.

This trade wont hurt this year, but when he blows up next year a lot of people will be questioning it.
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Playing with Lebron will mean he probably blows up. He is going to get so many open looks and so many opportunities to take it into the paint for his sweet foul line pull-up..
 
I too spent 90 minutes re reading this thread well after it occurred. (Did it between bathing and feeding my newborn twins :)

I must have handed out about 100 likes (maybe more).

Great read....
 
stitches said:
For the type of shots Hood takes this is great efficiency.
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Does that mean his shot selection is poor and kind of chuckerish?
 
fishonjazz said:
Does that mean his shot selection is poor and kind of chuckerish?
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Does he take some shots he shouldn't take? Sure. But a lot of them are within the offense or after the offense has broken down and he needs to bail us out. I've never thought of Hood "damn what a chucker" when I watch him. He takes shots somewhat liberally but that's mainly because we needed him to do it. There have been multiple cases where Quin has actually castigated him for not shooting, rather than shooting a bad shot.
 
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