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How bad/good is Cody Williams?

Miggs said:
Cody will be better than Ace so far as winning basketball is concerned. Maybe Ace will score 19 a game on 19 shots and rebounds well but I think Cody will be the better overall player in 3-4 years.
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This is crazy talk.

Cody is more likely to be out of the NBA in 3-4 years.

He had one ok SUMMER LEAGUE game, followed by a good SUMMER LEAGUE game, followed by a horrible SUMMER LEAGUE game.

Last season he was one of the worst players I have ever seen. A mediocre summer league (when you were the 10th pick and had a year of NBA play under your belt) hasn't changed how I feel about Cody.

I saw things in the summer league that give me some hope but not much.
 
fishonjazz said:
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This is crazy talk.

Cody is more likely to be out of the NBA in 3-4 years.

He had one ok SUMMER LEAGUE game, followed by a good SUMMER LEAGUE game, followed by a horrible SUMMER LEAGUE game.

Last season he was one of the worst players I have ever seen. A mediocre summer league (when you were the 10th pick and had a year of NBA play under your belt) hasn't changed how I feel about Cody.

I saw things in the summer league that give me some hope but not much.
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that's as a second year player. and even in his good summer league game i think he had 0 rebounds.

either way, i agree - he's shown certain things that sorta give you a glimmer of hope of if you you're looking for it, but i'd like to see him step it up a bit in vegas.
 
I think the weird thing for me is when dudes want Jazz players to fail to make their predictions come true. I have been down on Brice since months before we drafted him but I want to be proven wrong on him so bad, because, wait for it.................I'm a fan of the team he plays on.
 
Bodhi said:
I think the weird thing for me is when dudes want Jazz players to fail to make their predictions come true. I have been down on Brice since months before we drafted him but I want to be proven wrong on him so bad, because, wait for it.................I'm a fan of the team he plays on.
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exactly how i feel about williams. nothing i'd love to be wrong on more - it would be crazy to have him and ace, two dudes with 7'1"+ wingspans at the wing both be really good.
 
Cody seems to have an off-switch, where he just goes through the motions and doesn't seem to care about anything. The difference in how engaged he was in the 2nd game vs. the 3rd game was pretty stark. It might be a confidence thing, where if he misses a few shots he backs off.

The good news is that the added strength is helping his defensive presence. There were a couple plays where he made Ajay Mitchell and Nikola Topic give up the ball.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Its still wild to me how much of a non-factor he is at rebounding.
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I was watching for this yesterday and I think it's still mostly a strength thing. He had good position and timing on a few rebounding opportunities, but just got pushed out of the way very easily.

There is probably some effort, timing, and skill that he is missing as well, but I think the majority of the rebounding deficiency is strength related.
 
Cody has the skill of a big with the strength/ mentality of a guard. He needs gigantic improvements in one of the other to be a real player.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Cody was one of the absolute worst defenders in the league last year and was terrible defensively in college as well. The defensive improvement for the Jazz with Cody is that Cody is probably going to barely play this year.
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Do you have data to back this up or is it a measure of your acute observation? Was Cody a bad defender for a rookie in your estimation or just a bad defender in comparison with an average NBA player.
 
Bodhi said:
I think the weird thing for me is when dudes want Jazz players to fail to make their predictions come true. I have been down on Brice since months before we drafted him but I want to be proven wrong on him so bad, because, wait for it.................I'm a fan of the team he plays on.
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I was cheering the Cody pick when it happened and cheering Cody at the SL game and will cheer him all year.
But I wouldn't go so far as to say I think he will be better than Ace in 3-4 years.
 
Bodhi said:
I think the weird thing for me is when dudes want Jazz players to fail to make their predictions come true. I have been down on Brice since months before we drafted him but I want to be proven wrong on him so bad, because, wait for it.................I'm a fan of the team he plays on.
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My favorite is when you check a post history and every single post is that person clapping on our players. I don't understand why you come to the board to login and engage like that in every single interaction.
 
framer said:
My favorite is when you check a post history and every single post is that person clapping on our players. I don't understand why you come to the board to login and engage like that in every single interaction.
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It's why ihadaneffecthere and tremendous downside are on my ignore list.
Way too negative
 
Listen, I’d love to be wrong on Ace. I really would. I’m not hating just to hate. I just don’t see “It” with him and he doesn’t look like all-star material to me. Or even close really. That’s all. I’d love nothing more than to eat a gigantic plate of crow for every meal for a decade. Truthfully. Hell, @Handlogten's Heros and @Elizah Huge can get him on their pod and have him publicly roast me if he becomes a stud down the line. I’d love nothing more. In fact, I welcome it.
 
Honest question

What are the Cody lovers seeing here? He’s invisible all the times I’ve seen him with the exception of one game earlier this week. As a long time jazz fan, I’ve seen plenty of our drafted wings show flashes of life. Whether it be Sasha Pavlovic, Mo Almond, DeShawn, Trey Lyles, and Kirk Snyder. I think all of those players showed more life than Cody ever has and Cody is now in his second year.

I don’t get it.

And now the league is flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense. So someone convince me why a 70 year old Batum corpse wouldn’t help the Jazz win more right now? Going the young rebuild route, explain to me why dozens of other wings we see in the summer league shouldn’t play ahead of Cody (when they’re already outplaying him right now?).

What are you guys seeing? Cuz right now I’m seeing any vet being better than Cody right now. And I’m seeing a lot of other young wings showing more potential. Hell, that Juzang guy we had last year looked better and I don’t think he was even drafted. IMO, unless Cody goes crazy this year, his *** should be out of the league as soon as his contract is up. China is calling my dude.

I do believe Ace will stick around for a while. Size, skill, and athleticism win. Next year he’s gonna have plenty of opportunities to shoot too.
 
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Bro I don’t know. I just base Cody off of about 43 seconds I’ve seen. I don’t watch the games. My life is my children.
 
Miggs said:
Bro I don’t know. I just base Cody off of about 43 seconds I’ve seen. I don’t watch the games. My life is my children.
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"i don't watch the games"

so immediately disregard all your basketball opinions. that makes things easier. it's becoming much more clear why you "just don't see it with Ace". none of us would "see it" if we didn't watch the games.
 
The Thriller said:
Honest question

What are the Cody lovers seeing here? He’s invisible all the times I’ve seen him with the exception of one game earlier this week. As a long time jazz fan, I’ve seen plenty of our drafted wings show flashes of life. Whether it be Sasha Pavlovic, Mo Almond, DeShawn, Trey Lyles, and Kirk Snyder. I think all of those players showed more life than Cody ever has and Cody is now in his second year.

I don’t get it.

And now the league is flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense. So someone convince me why a 70 year old Batum corpse wouldn’t help the Jazz win more right now? Going the young rebuild route, explain to me why dozens of other wings we see in the summer league shouldn’t play ahead of Cody (when they’re already outplaying him right now?).

What are you guys seeing? Cuz right now I’m seeing any vet being better than Cody right now. And I’m seeing a lot of other young wings showing more potential. Hell, that Juzang guy we had last year looked better and I don’t think he was even drafted. IMO, unless Cody goes crazy this year, his *** should be out of the league as soon as his contract is up. China is calling my dude.

I do believe Ace will stick around for a while. Size, skill, and athleticism win. Next year he’s gonna have plenty of opportunities to shoot too.
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I mean, first of all, the league is NOT "absolutely flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense." Those guys are really, really rare and valuable. So much so that you need to take crazy risks to obtain them for your team.

So much so that the Jazz have spent their top pick in the last 3 drafts chasing one. If we get one to pop, it might have been worth it. If two pop, it was a tremendous success.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
"i don't watch the games"

so immediately disregard all your basketball opinions. that makes things easier. it's becoming much more clear why you "just don't see it with Ace". none of us would "see it" if we didn't watch the games.
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We definitely need a facepalm emoji
 
framer said:
My favorite is when you check a post history and every single post is that person clapping on our players. I don't understand why you come to the board to login and engage like that in every single interaction.
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Sorry, I'm just not a fan of mindless, robotic cope.

If you don't want people "clapping on" the players, maybe get mad at the galaxy brains who put together this nightmarish abomination of a team. Oh, I forgot – absolute loyalty for the royal Ainge clan is required if you want to be included in the ranks of "real fans".

Cody still sucks. He was an embarrassing nepo pick and the people huffing summer league copium are even more embarrassing.
 
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