How bad/good is Cody Williams?

[framer]

Honest question

What are the Cody lovers seeing here? He’s invisible all the times I’ve seen him with the exception of one game earlier this week. As a long time jazz fan, I’ve seen plenty of our drafted wings show flashes of life. Whether it be Sasha Pavlovic, Mo Almond, DeShawn, Trey Lyles, and Kirk Snyder. I think all of those players showed more life than Cody ever has and Cody is now in his second year.

I don’t get it.

And now the league is flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense. So someone convince me why a 70 year old Batum corpse wouldn’t help the Jazz win more right now? Going the young rebuild route, explain to me why dozens of other wings we see in the summer league shouldn’t play ahead of Cody (when they’re already outplaying him right now?).

What are you guys seeing? Cuz right now I’m seeing any vet being better than Cody right now. And I’m seeing a lot of other young wings showing more potential. Hell, that Juzang guy we had last year looked better and I don’t think he was even drafted. IMO, unless Cody goes crazy this year, his *** should be out of the league as soon as his contract is up. China is calling my dude.

I do believe Ace will stick around for a while. Size, skill, and athleticism win. Next year he’s gonna have plenty of opportunities to shoot too.

I mean, first of all, the league is NOT "absolutely flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense." Those guys are really, really rare and valuable. So much so that you need to take crazy risks to obtain them for your team.

So much so that the Jazz have spent their top pick in the last 3 drafts chasing one. If we get one to pop, it might have been worth it. If two pop, it was a tremendous success.

 

[kcgar]

"i don't watch the games"

so immediately disregard all your basketball opinions. that makes things easier. it's becoming much more clear why you "just don't see it with Ace". none of us would "see it" if we didn't watch the games.

We definitely need a facepalm emoji

 

[MTS]

Hell, @Handlogten's Heros and @Elizah Huge can get him on their pod and have him publicly roast me if he becomes a stud down the line. I’d love nothing more. In fact, I welcome it.

Odd sort of fetish.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

My favorite is when you check a post history and every single post is that person clapping on our players. I don't understand why you come to the board to login and engage like that in every single interaction.

Sorry, I'm just not a fan of mindless, robotic cope.

If you don't want people "clapping on" the players, maybe get mad at the galaxy brains who put together this nightmarish abomination of a team. Oh, I forgot – absolute loyalty for the royal Ainge clan is required if you want to be included in the ranks of "real fans".

Cody still sucks. He was an embarrassing nepo pick and the people huffing summer league copium are even more embarrassing.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I mean, first of all, the league is NOT "absolutely flooded with long athletic players who can shoot 3s and play defense." Those guys are really, really rare and valuable. So much so that you need to take crazy risks to obtain them for your team.

So much so that the Jazz have spent their top pick in the last 3 drafts chasing one. If we get one to pop, it might have been worth it. If two pop, it was a tremendous success.

Jujang was better than Cody and he wasn’t even drafted. I guess the point is, “finding great wings is hard.” Because finding wings who can defend and shoot 3s is arguably the easiest position to fill right now. So much so that we found one last year who wasn’t even drafted.

 

[framer]

Jujang was better than Cody and he wasn’t even drafted. I guess the point is, “finding great wings is hard.” Because finding wings who can defend and shoot 3s is arguably the easiest position to fill right now. So much so that we found one last year who wasn’t even drafted.

Juzang is 4 years older than Cody and his one NBA skill is shooting. He hit 3s at a 36% rate last year. He is not overly long and he's not especially good on Defense.

If 4 years from now Cody Williams is not better than Johnny Juzang (who as a fringe NBA player, is STILL an NBA player) then yeah, the Jazz should move on.

 

[cctrackstar]

he was always a project, it's not like anyone expected him to be good right away, if he was with those measurables he would have gone top 3. remember, our team has a history of good player development, have some patience and remember, if he comes off the bench for ten years he is still a success for his draft position. drafting potential is always a coin flip, and sometimes it comes tails.

think about this, his measurables are about the same as Ace, but ace went fifth, should have gone third, all because he had the strength and the intangibles (drive, motor, shot). if cody gets what he's missing, he's basically Ace, but he may not.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

he was always a project, it's not like anyone expected him to be good right away, if he was with those measurables he would have gone top 3. remember, our team has a history of good player development, have some patience and remember, if he comes off the bench for ten years he is still a success for his draft position. drafting potential is always a coin flip, and sometimes it comes tails.

think about this, his measurables are about the same as Ace, but ace went fifth, should have gone third, all because he had the strength and the intangibles (drive, motor, shot). if cody gets what he's missing, he's basically Ace, but he may not.

Ace and Cody are nothing alike. Cody's entire appeal was that he was smart (he played PG in high school) and could dribble a bit and had a good finishing package. He was a terrible athlete and incredibly thin and had a broken jumpshot and could not defend at all due to how unathletic and weak he was. The idea was that as his weight increased, hopefully his athleticism would increase as well. He's been even worse than expected though and seems to have no toughness or drive and doesn't seem to be improving.

Ace has elite shooting talent and explosion and lateral quickness while struggling to create good shots and to make good decisions. We will see how he develops.

 

[George W]

When your summer league team closely resembles your actual regular season team, ain't no chance the Jazz lose next year's pick.

I know I'm making a fool of myself with all of this homerism but I think we are one "PG who can drive against a press and not turn the ball over" away from competing for the play-in

- George

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

... If 4 years from now Cody Williams is not better than Johnny Juzang (who as a fringe NBA player, is STILL an NBA player) then yeah, the Jazz should move on.

we have to wait 4 years to see if he can become better than a player that we just waived?

 

[infection]

I know I'm making a fool of myself with all of this homerism but I think we are one "PG who can drive against a press and not turn the ball over" away from competing for the play-in

- George

Well then I guess the biggest priority of this offseason is making sure we don't obtain a "PG who can drive against a press and not turn the ball over."

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I know I'm making a fool of myself with all of this homerism but I think we are one "PG who can drive against a press and not turn the ball over" away from competing for the play-in

- George

I need to see much better connective passing before I can get my serious homer on.