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How did Exum look last night?

How? Payton's career PER is over 15. Exum is currently at 7. Payton hasn't lost most of two seasons to injury. Payton's career win-shares are over 11, while Exum is still at just 1.

Hopefully Exum can salvage his career. So far his has been barely this side of a worst-case-scenario for such a high pick.

There are definitely stats in Payton's favor and he has stayed injury free. Regarding PER-- Any stat tool that can't accurately track both sides of the floor is meaningless, and shouldn't be used to compare players.

I'd still wager on Exum's upside over Payton. If Payton would cut his hair, he might be a lot better. He's like the anti-Sampson.
 
Regarding PER-- Any stat tool that can't accurately track both sides of the floor is meaningless, and shouldn't be used to compare players.
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But all other stats ( advanced included) except FT% and 3PT % ( which is virtually a tie) are favoring Payton so much more. Offensive rating, defensive rating, win shares, you name it. I agree that Exum may have higher ceiling and a chance to be better but as of today it is a no contest.
 
But all other stats ( advanced included) except FT% and 3PT % ( which is virtually a tie) are favoring Payton so much more. Offensive rating, defensive rating, win shares, you name it. I agree that Exum may have higher ceiling and a chance to be better but as of today it is a no contest.

Yep, not arguing that Payton's stats overall haven't been better, even mentioned that in my post. I laugh at the morans that use PER to try and prove a point.
 
Yep, not arguing that Payton's stats overall haven't been better, even mentioned that in my post. I laugh at the morans that use PER to try and prove a point.

PER is one of the best stats out there. There are a few outliers like Big Al, but one thing is clear: when your PER is as low as Exum's YOU SUCK ***.

Go back to the big boy table and tell all your cousins how everyone else is a moran.
 
PER is one of the best stats out there. There are a few outliers like Big Al, but one thing is clear: when your PER is as low as Exum's YOU SUCK ***.

Go back to the big boy table and tell all your cousins how everyone else is a moran.

He will after he's finished with your Mom
 
PER is one of the best stats out there. There are a few outliers like Big Al, but one thing is clear: when your PER is as low as Exum's YOU SUCK ***.

Go back to the big boy table and tell all your cousins how everyone else is a moran.
Nah PER is not a great stat at all. The best stats are highly targeted and used in combination with others to make specific points. PER is a catchall boxscore counting stat that needs to die.
 
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March 28th 2018 at 3:18pm CST by Luke Adams
Point guard Dante Exum has played in just 72 games since his rookie year, having had to deal with injuries in each of the last three seasons. He’s healthy now, and playing regular backup minutes for the Jazz, but he’s on track for restricted free agency this summer, and one general manager tells Sean Deveney of The Sporting News that it may be worth rolling the dice on Exum despite his injury history.

“I think you have to look at him as a physically gifted guy who is only 22 (he turns 23 in July) and has already gone through the huge NBA learning curve,” the GM said. “There are guys in this year’s draft who will be 22 but aren’t going to have the kind of knowledge of the league he has, and don’t have the physical gifts.”

According to Deveney, one front office executive estimated that a two-year deal in the $18-20MM range might be enough to pry Exum away from the Jazz. That would be a steep price for a fourth-year player who has yet to deliver on the promise he showed heading into the 2014 draft, but overpaying a restricted free agent is often necessary to avoid having his old team match.

“He’s a gamble,” that same executive told Deveney. “But $10MM a year is not as big a gamble as it once was. He could show something here.”

Exum is hated alot here on this board BUT other teams have their eye on him. In the last game the Golden State announcers were raving about Exum's long strides and blowby speed.
Be a sad day knowing Jazz had him and were seeing him breakout ,only to see him sign on to another team.
 
Be a sad day knowing Jazz had him and were seeing him breakout ,only to see him sign on to another team.

Would not be the first or last. KOC admitted his biggest mistake was letting Mo Williams go. It sucks when that happens but so far odds of that happening is very slim.
 
Nah PER is not a great stat at all. The best stats are highly targeted and used in combination with others to make specific points. PER is a catchall boxscore counting stat that needs to die.

PER leaders by season in descending order:

Harden
Westbrook
Curry
AD
KD
LeBron for 6 years
Wade
Nowitzki
Garnett 2x
McGrady
Shaq 5x
Malone
Robinson 3x
Jordan 7x
Larry Bird 2x

Yup, looks like PER is garbage. Do me a favor and go correlate PER with WS and VORP. Holy ****! Those 3 lists are nearly identical guis! But PER still sucks.
 
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