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But that's private money. If it was government money it wouldn't have the same effect. Because socialism.

Unless it went to defense spending. Because defense spending can produce jobs, just not any other sort of spending.
 
You mean a massive infrastructure project provided the necessary stimulus to affect the unemployment rate?

Nah, you're Scat. You couldn't possibly be saying that.

So you agree that markets will come in and stimulate, thus negating the need for corrupt, 2nd best policies?


But that's private money. If it was government money it wouldn't have the same effect. Because socialism.

And debt and instability. The lack of confidence and uncertainty surrounding future policy seems to be pretty meaningful.
(FYI, consider I'm all for a huge infrastructure stimulus program.)
 
Take, for example, the Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC), a 42-acre tropical theme park on Oahu’s north shore that hosts luaus, canoe rides, and tours through seven simulated Polynesian villages. General-admission adult tickets cost $49.95; VIP tickets cost up to $228.95.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, that's Disneyland prices! By far the most revelatory thing in that article since I already was familiar with the church business structure. Has anybody been there? Is it worth the money? I always assumed it was just a boring church tour or something, plus being a South Provo bred kid about half of my friends growing up were Polys so I figured I already knew everything there was to know Polynesia , but if you're churning gate numbers at those price points especially since a quick website check revels that the lower end doesn't include a meal and there are pricepoints all the way up to that $228 mark with differing meal plans, it must be impressive.
 
So you agree that markets will come in and stimulate, thus negating the need for corrupt, 2nd best policies?

Maybe.

Although it's worth noting here that this wasn't a private investment project in the usual sense of capitalism. The article itself points out that there won't be any return worth speaking of (or at least that the church doesn't expect there to be) and the whole thing was in some sense motivated by a desire to not have the area around Temple Square go to hell. I doubt that specific situation is precisely going to spring up all over the country.

Also, I'd be shocked if there wasn't some level of specific selection of vendors and contractors based on alliance with the church in connection with the project. Even slight poking around suggests that was the case, which looks exactly like the kind of cronyish practice that I believe you're referring to as "corrupt" above.

But come on, you know exactly why I'm tweaking Scat about this. I'm pretty sure he didn't even realize he was making a statement that should cause cognitive dissonance.
 
But come on, you know exactly why I'm tweaking Scat about this. I'm pretty sure he didn't even realize he was making a statement that should cause cognitive dissonance.

Yeah, that's why I went Cyrone on it a little. I got a kick out of the post and may have repped it (and OB's too) if Jason hadn't broken the system :mad:.

You two would have had a hayday with Senator Orrin Hatch's recent pure Keynesian primary win in "the most red state". He saved funding for Hill Airforce base, and Utah's economy by extension ya know.
 
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, that's Disneyland prices! By far the most revelatory thing in that article since I already was familiar with the church business structure. Has anybody been there? Is it worth the money? I always assumed it was just a boring church tour or something, plus being a South Provo bred kid about half of my friends growing up were Polys so I figured I already knew everything there was to know Polynesia , but if you're churning gate numbers at those price points especially since a quick website check revels that the lower end doesn't include a meal and there are pricepoints all the way up to that $228 mark with differing meal plans, it must be impressive.

It's pretty meh actually. There is a boat ride through a bunch of man made canals where they take you on a tour of all the Polynesian cultures. You get to see the very place that Elvis sat while filming Blue Hawaii. You get to watch a show of twirling fire torches and dancing hula girls (all properly covered of course) and you get an all you can eat buffet. The buffet was the best part but certainly not worth the price I paid to get in. Did I mention it is an all day proposition?
 
But come on, you know exactly why I'm tweaking Scat about this. I'm pretty sure he didn't even realize he was making a statement that should cause cognitive dissonance.

I'm hurt that you think so little of my intellect.

By the way, don't you need to change your location to Phoenix?
 
No, just humor that you find funny. I'm making fun of religion after all.

I guess you've missed the two instances where I've commended Mormonism (when speaking relative to mainstream Evangelical Christian trends)?
 
Dude, seriously, I only notice one person bitching in this thread and throwing the "evil" card around. If zombie said the exact same thing about the Catholic church and its expansive land holdings and finances would you consider his comment "evil?" I wouldn't. I don't think he was trying to bash or call our church evil. Thicken your skin.

Now...



Millions, yes. Billions, hardly. I've posted these links before, but I'll post them again:

https://www.providentliving.org/welfare/pdf/WelfareFactSheet.pdf

1985 - 2009 (so 25 years):

Humanitarian Aid in Cash: $327.6 Million

Humanitarian Aid in Material Assistance: $884.6 Million

Total: $1.13 Billion in 25 years. Yes, they reached a billion, but it took 25 years.

Roughly $45.2 Million/year, but I bet it has increased as the years have gone on to account for inflation.

Canadian tithing funds given to BYU in 2010: 102 Million.

https://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip...k%3Dlatter-day%26amp%3Bb%3Dtrue%26amp%3Bp%3D2

UK tithing funds (where it's a "hard" mission and not growing):

https://www.charity-commission.gov....steredCharityNumber=274605&SubsidiaryNumber=0

City Creek Spending from 2003 - 2012: $2-3 Billion.

Does the church do a lot of good? Absolutely. As do its members who contribute tens of thousands of hours a year. However, it's easy to see why people might be critical of the church's financial priorities or not understand their financial decisions. Relax.

You're lying to yourself, dude. Plain and simple. I love how it gets flipped back on me and everyone else fails to recognize the simple truth and my point. At least I can admit my agenda.

Oh, and if there were posters that bashed on other religions and tried to make them look bad/evil all the time (besides the Westboro Baptist one) you're damn right I'd call them out on it too.
 
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, that's Disneyland prices! By far the most revelatory thing in that article since I already was familiar with the church business structure. Has anybody been there? Is it worth the money? I always assumed it was just a boring church tour or something, plus being a South Provo bred kid about half of my friends growing up were Polys so I figured I already knew everything there was to know Polynesia , but if you're churning gate numbers at those price points especially since a quick website check revels that the lower end doesn't include a meal and there are pricepoints all the way up to that $228 mark with differing meal plans, it must be impressive.

Totally worth it. I went in 2002 (prices where probably cheaper then, I don't recall) and my wife knew someone who had family that worked there so we got a discount, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
 
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