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Stoked said:
One I called him out on. The first to do so I might add.

But posts don’t exist in a vacuum. I’ll put @Gameface history up against @NPC D4617 any day. Even with that despicable post.
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Sorry, but Gameface has lost to me with just that one post. There is nothing worse than death. I on the other hand have never wished death on anyone. Not even close. Ive got you beat cause you are a liar.

Moral Authority Superiority Contest

NPC - 2
Stoked - 0
Gameface- 0
 
NPC D4617 said:
Sorry, but Gameface has lost to me with just that one post. There is nothing worse than death. I on the other hand have never wished death on anyone. Not even close. Ive got you beat cause you are a liar.

Moral Authority Superiority Contest

NPC - 2
Stoked - 0
Gameface- 0
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I’ll agree that I have a zero.

But you’re a disingenuous piece of ****. All trolls are. As such you have no morality and no conscience. You are without value.
 
Stoked said:
I’ll agree that I have a zero.

But you’re a disingenuous piece of ****. All trolls are. As such you have no morality and no conscience. You are without value.
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I think your life has value to me. You dont have to please me for me to assign value to your life.
 
Stoked said:
Liar. That implies inevitably. This is a choice.
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No. Not quite true. I am at a disadvantage. I do not possess Jazzfanz privilege like you and many others do here. So I cannot be held responsible for all my actions. I am oppressed on Jazzfanz.

Where are my award and contributor stickers, that all the regulars got? Thats funny, I seem to remember contributing here for the last 7 years, non stop, no account self deactivations.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Sorry, but Gameface has lost to me with just that one post. There is nothing worse than death. I on the other hand have never wished death on anyone. Not even close. Ive got you beat cause you are a liar.

Moral Authority Superiority Contest

NPC - 2
Stoked - 0
Gameface- 0
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Who did I wish death upon?

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NPC D4617 said:
Being really glad something happened and hoping something happens, are so close to being the same thing, that I can just use them as synonyms.
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They are NOT the same thing, at all. I'll ask you kindly to stop misrepresenting things I've said. I consider what you're doing as slander. Intentional, with malicious intent.

Many people here know me in real life. The false things you're saying, that you know or should know are false have the potential to do actual harm to my livelihood and well being. I think you should be cautious about the factual nature of your comments going forward. I absolutely will pursue real world legal recourse if you don't.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Where are my award and contributor stickers, that all the regulars got? Thats funny, I seem to remember contributing here for the last 7 years, non stop, no account self deactivations.
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The contributor stickers are for those that have contributed financially to the maintenance of the site. As for award stickers, I have no issue with who actually got awards, even though I know deep in my heart I'm the best poster all. :)
 
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One Brow said:
I'm good with that. While I don't mind going over the basis for my beliefs with those inclined to discuss them seriously (as you do from time to time), I don't expect everyone to adopt them. Humans are controlled by our feelings, and we rationalize the world around us to fit into them, most of the time.



Obama's signature policy, the ACA, was one of the most moderate and corporatist ways to get more people health care. If you think of our former deporter-in-chief as anything other than the usual moderate, corporate-owned, PWPBP Democrat, your vision is skewed heavily.

So, why to you think Harris/Klobuchar are to the left of Obama? What are their specific policy proposals that put them there?



The difference between a moderate Democrat and a right-leaning Democrat would be things like de-empahsizing climate science, sexual harrassment, and not supporting the ACA. When I say Manchin is a right-leaning Democrat, I meant that he's further to the right than a moderate Republican (and he is, on many issues).
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We are never going to agree. You see ACA as a moderate move. I see it as government getting much farther into an industry I don't want it to be in. Regarding being left of Obama, I don't recall him offering healthcare to undocumented immigrants (which virtually all of the Dem candidates have done). I see this as a bad thing because it signals to people that all you need to do is find a way across our border and you will be taken care of. I see that as a big burden on an already overtaxed system, and also as an illegal immigration incentive that does nobody any good.

All of that said, I'm not going to get into a more detailed debate with you about Dem candidates. I will say that if an actual moderate Dem emerges (someone you would certainly call a right wing Dem) then I will become a potential democratic voter. Until that time I am going to vote third party (not that it matters one iota when casting a vote in Utah).
 
Gameface said:
They are NOT the same thing, at all. I'll ask you kindly to stop misrepresenting things I've said. I consider what you're doing as slander. Intentional, with malicious intent.

Many people here know me in real life. The false things you're saying, that you know or should know are false have the potential to do actual harm to my livelihood and well being. I think you should be cautious about the factual nature of your comments going forward. I absolutely will pursue real world legal recourse if you don't.
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You are truly a piece of work.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
We are never going to agree. You see ACA as a moderate move. I see it as government getting much farther into an industry I don't want it to be in.
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Since much of the ACA was written by the health insurance industry, it was very kind to them, and a very moderate and capitalistic way to expand health care.

Joe Bagadonuts said:
Regarding being left of Obama, I don't recall him offering healthcare to undocumented immigrants (which virtually all of the Dem candidates have done).
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Undocumented immigrants have had health care available since the 1970s, through various section 330 grants at qualifying health care centers. So, I'm not sure what Harris/Klobuchar are offering beyond that. An ID card? A wider network?

Joe Bagadonuts said:
I see this as a bad thing because it signals to people that all you need to do is find a way across our border and you will be taken care of. I see that as a big burden on an already overtaxed system, and also as an illegal immigration incentive that does nobody any good.
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Sick Mexicans already get pretty good health care in Mexico. Almost none of of the undocumented come to the US to get health care. They come to get jobs and safety.

Joe Bagadonuts said:
All of that said, I'm not going to get into a more detailed debate with you about Dem candidates. I will say that if an actual moderate Dem emerges (someone you would certainly call a right wing Dem) then I will become a potential democratic voter. Until that time I am going to vote third party (not that it matters one iota when casting a vote in Utah).
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Yeah, Illinois will go for the Democratic candidate regardless of my vote.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
We are never going to agree. You see ACA as a moderate move. I see it as government getting much farther into an industry I don't want it to be in. Regarding being left of Obama, I don't recall him offering healthcare to undocumented immigrants (which virtually all of the Dem candidates have done). I see this as a bad thing because it signals to people that all you need to do is find a way across our border and you will be taken care of. I see that as a big burden on an already overtaxed system, and also as an illegal immigration incentive that does nobody any good.

All of that said, I'm not going to get into a more detailed debate with you about Dem candidates. I will say that if an actual moderate Dem emerges (someone you would certainly call a right wing Dem) then I will become a potential democratic voter. Until that time I am going to vote third party (not that it matters one iota when casting a vote in Utah).
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But I’ll rather have the health insurance companies run our health care system right Joe? Because it’s so affordable.
 
NPC D4617 said:
No. Not quite true. I am at a disadvantage. I do not possess Jazzfanz privilege like you and many others do here. So I cannot be held responsible for all my actions. I am oppressed on Jazzfanz.

Where are my award and contributor stickers, that all the regulars got? Thats funny, I seem to remember contributing here for the last 7 years, non stop, no account self deactivations.
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Lmfao. Poor oppressed NPC
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You are truly a piece of work.
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You know what a rock solid defense against slander is? The Truth. If I said the things he continues to post that I said then he has no issue. If he continues to post lies about what I've said, it's called slander. He should stop lying.

I have no idea where NPC might go next, after accusing me of cheering on attacks against police and being sympathetic to convicted murderers. What I do know is that I'm not just going to let him make **** up about me over and over again.
 
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Jazzta said:
But I’ll rather have the health insurance companies run our health care system right Joe? Because it’s so affordable.
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I'd rather have consumers run it. One of the many reasons that healthcare is expensive is that unlike most items, we don't often shop for, pay for, or even know what the service costs. We allow a health insurance company to stand between us and our healthcare providers. At this point they won't honor the same price for us as they will for the insurance companies even if we go directly. Essentially we've allowed an unknown profit center to step in as the middleman for our healthcare industry. Personally I'd prefer to pay for myself for small expenses and become part of a collective for catastrophic expenses. IMO, anyone who thinks that interjecting government into the middle of healthcare is going to result in price or service improvements hasn't been paying a great deal of attention to what typically happens when government gets involved.
 
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