How white liberals view black voters

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  1. Archie Moses

    Archie Moses Well-Known Member

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    Seems pretty reasonable to me.

    If only all politics and policies were this easy.
     
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  2. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Meet Rob Gleason

     
  3. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    Meet Todd Albaugh:

    Todd Allbaugh, 46, a staff aide to a Republican state legislator, attributed his decision to quit his job in 2015 and leave the party to what he witnessed at a Republican caucus meeting. He wrote on Facebook:

    I was in the closed Senate Republican Caucus when the final round of multiple Voter ID bills were being discussed. A handful of the GOP Senators were giddy about the ramifications and literally singled out the prospects of suppressing minority and college voters. Think about that for a minute. Elected officials planning and happy to help deny a fellow American’s constitutional right to vote in order to increase their own chances to hang onto power.
     
  4. silesian

    silesian Well-Known Member

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    I guess I could be lying. Or maybe we travel in different circles?
     
  5. Zombie

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    This is where I stand- if we can get a process in place that achieves easy, free, and accessible IDs for every American, then I have no problem with an ID requirement for voting. But that process has to be in place FIRST, and implemented over a number of years before we require ID for voting. To do otherwise is no less than a tax on voting that history suggests will keep underprivileged people from voting, which is totally unacceptable in my view.
     
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  6. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    Your second sentence is unclear. Regardless, in my opinion it ought to be easy and inexpensive (or better yet free) to get ID. It seems like begging for fraud issues (which could negatively impact any candidate) to do away with the very logical requirement for ID.
     
  7. Gameface

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    Republican voters believe there is massive organized voter fraud. See any of babe's post for evidence.
     
  8. silesian

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    Yep. No one is arguing for no voter ID. But the barriers and bureaucracy that are layered in are the problems. In some rural areas you have to travel 100+ miles to get the ID. It can cost hundreds of dollars to produce the paperwork required. So poor people blow it off.
     
  9. silesian

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    Yeah, sorry I wasn’t clear. Republican politicians do not believe there is massive voter fraud. They have duped gullible republican voters into believing that there is massive voter fraud.
     
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  10. silesian

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    Yeah my second sentence is a mess, sorry.

    I was trying to say what you said (much more clearly). I support ID but make it cheap (especially for the poor), fast, and effective (no fraud). They have made it difficult, on purpose, to suit their political purposes, and this is immoral.
     
  11. Joe Bagadonuts

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    Umm, yes they are arguing for no voter ID. One Brow, for one, has suggested exactly that on multiple occassions in this very thread. Maybe you should go back and re-read. This is deja vu from another thread where someone claimed that nobody was arguing for open borders when, in fact, that was exactly what some people had been arguing for.
     
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  12. Zombie

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    If you read carefully we aren't arguing against voter ID in principle. There are practical barriers in place that need to be overcome to avoid an ID requirement from becoming a poll tax, or otherwise undue burden. Especially when you consider the problem it's meant to solve, voter impersonation, is vanishingly rare.

    Look at it this way, is the number of people who would be disenfranchised if we were to enact nationwide voter ID greater than the number of people who vote fraudulently by assuming another persons identity?

    The data says yes. Overwhelmingly.
     
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  13. silesian

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    I love posts that start with umm. You can’t beat that for condescension.

    I went back and read the whole thread. Please quote @One Brow or others saying zero ID, I’m not seeing it.

    The arguments I hear all the time are about how the current process needs to be scrapped and made easier and republicans keep changing ID laws making it harder.

    I mean no voter ID would mean that any person walks and pulls a lever. Does anyone believe that?
     
  14. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I haven't used my ID in months. If I didn't drink then I wouldn't have used it in years

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  15. fishonjazz

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    I don't other than to buy beer every once in a while.
    If I didn't drink then I would never use it

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  16. fishonjazz

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    This

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  17. fishonjazz

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    Babe is an outlier. He doesn't represent a majority of anything.

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  18. fishonjazz

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    You said they are arguing for no id and then listed one brow. One brow isn't a they, he is a he.

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  19. Archie Moses

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    Buying beer and being carded is still using it.

    That and you carry it on your person everywhere you go including driving because you know it's common sense.

    I, personally, understand it's annoying to have to get an ID and most of the times I use it are annoying and inconvenient, but I realize the importance of it.

    I don't think that asking people who want to vote to have an ID is a bad thing.

    Is the process too hard? I'd say harder for some than others, but certainly not impossible. If there is a way to make getting an ID easier and verifiable, then I hope it changes that way.
     
  20. fishonjazz

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    Again, if I didn't drink then I would never use it. Some people don't drink right? So some people don't really need or use it.
    I don't carry it on my person. I rarely ever have it on me. (It's not on me right now. It's never on me at work. Last night I went to a wedding and didn't have my id. Tomorrow I'm going to lagoon and won't have my id. Why carry it on me all the time? I don't ever need it)

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