How white liberals view black voters

[Harambe]

Which I have a problem with. Once their jail time, and probation depending on the crime, is over they should have full voting rights

Let's.... let's correct this right now. Voting IS a right of every citizen. Once you become a felon, you have done something bad enough to have that right suspended. Over a period of time afterwards, you can petition for that right to be resumed.

I'm not sure I like the idea of it being taken away at all. But to argue that it's not a right just doesn't feel appropriate.

 

[Harambe]

Here is my study:
If you eliminate barriers to cheating then a larger percentage of the population tends to cheat. Witness the looting that occurs during power outages for example. There is ample video evidence of this phenomena.

For that reason it is not difficult to conclude that if voting is easily manipulated that eventually candidates who are willing to sanction that type of manipulation will emerge. ID is a very reasonable measure to help make this sort of manipulation much more unlikely, especially since having an ID is a useful and ordinary thing that every adult ought to do.

Your research is astounding. I'm super impressed. Which publication are you going to publish through?

 

[Stoked]

Let's.... let's correct this right now. Voting IS a right of every citizen. Once you become a felon, you have done something bad enough to have that right suspended. Over a period of time afterwards, you can petition for that right to be resumed.

I'm not sure I like the idea of it being taken away at all. But to argue that it's not a right just doesn't feel appropriate.

I never said it wasn’t a right...

I am saying that there shouldn’t be a suspension of that right post sentence.

 

[fishonjazz]

I never said it wasn’t a right...

I am saying that there shouldn’t be a suspension of that right post sentence.

Ya you two are saying the same thing from what i can gather.


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[Joe Bagadonuts]

People cheat for gain. What you are saying is that people will cheat to spend what it often more than an hour in line to cast a single vote. That's a lot of time for very little gain.



Election fraud is rampant and occurs pretty much every election. Voter impersonation fraud is extremely rare.



Voter ID does nothing to stop election fraud. It's a solution in search of a problem.

I think you must be purposely trying to be dense. I specifically said that the politicians would exploit a no ID system for gain. So let's imagine a voting system that requires no ID. Is it impossible for you to believe that a campaign might recognize that they are being handed the opportunity to send people to the polls multiple times in different districts under different names? Why create a system where this could happen when having an ID is already such a central part of being a responsible adult?

Honestly, the reason I think Dems are so adamant about this is that they believe they will continue to dupe minority populations into voting for them, even though they have, and will continue to be, a terrible solution for such populations. They would like nothing more than to show up in these districts, gather herds of people who don't really care enough to vote on their own, and send them into the polls believing that these disengaged citizens will pull the lever like lemmings for democrats .

And LOL at your claim that election fraud is rampant but this particular form of fraud would not and could not possibly be a problem.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Your research is astounding. I'm super impressed. Which publication are you going to publish through?

Thanks. I have opted for a very prestigious publication called JazzFanz. I know my conclusions are earth-shattering to some liberal political activists, but fortunately the vast majority of people recognize it as common sense.

 

[One Brow]

I think you must be purposely trying to be dense. I specifically said that the politicians would exploit a no ID system for gain. So let's imagine a voting system that requires no ID. Is it impossible for you to believe that a campaign might recognize that they are being handed the opportunity to send people to the polls multiple times in different districts under different names? Why create a system where this could happen when having an ID is already such a central part of being a responsible adult?

Why are we still discussing a no ID system?

At any rate, how much are politicians paying these people to 1) stand in several lines, for hours over the course of a day, and 2) not say anything to anyone, ever? Think they can get real value from that?

Honestly, the reason I think Dems are so adamant ...

Yawn.

And LOL at your claim that election fraud is rampant but this particular form of fraud would not and could not possibly be a problem.

I didn't claim "would not and could not possibly be", I merely said "is not", by every study that has been conducted over multiple jurisdictions with various levels of ID required.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Why are we still discussing a no ID system?

At any rate, how much are politicians paying these people to 1) stand in several lines, for hours over the course of a day, and 2) not say anything to anyone, ever? Think they can get real value from that?



Yawn.



I didn't claim "would not and could not possibly be", I merely said "is not", by every study that has been conducted over multiple jurisdictions with various levels of ID required.

Yawn.

 

[One Brow]

Yawn.

That's your best response yet in this thread. Well done.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

That's your best response yet in this thread. Well done.

Thnx

 

[Harambe]

Thanks. I have opted for a very prestigious publication called JazzFanz. I know my conclusions are earth-shattering to some liberal political activists, but fortunately the vast majority of people recognize it as common sense.

You're not going to have much luck there. It appears half the board makes you look stupid, and the other half makes you look paranoid.

But good luck.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You're not going to have much luck there. It appears half the board makes you look stupid, and the other half makes you look paranoid.

But good luck.

I'm confident that you are vastly under-polling those who agree with me, most of whom are not interested in engaging in these sorts of conversations. A significant reason for their silence is that they are completely unimpressed by the go-to tactic of many liberals, which is to demean and intimidate conservatives for expressing their opinions. Your above post is a fair example.