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whatthe

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For my HRM, I would ty to thread the needle and trade Kessler, Collins for Ingram. I would hope losing our big men would lead to a bigger fatal flaw and I would hope we could flip Ingram again (what I would aim for) or get him at a lower cost next year (yeah not likely).

Roster chaos would generate losses and Ingram sitting out and pouting would be ideal. Or him playing well and could be traded works fantastic if we still can't stop teams.

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Trade Proposal Sends Brandon Ingram To Jazz, Walker Kessler And John Collins To Pelicans

One NBA analyst proposed a trade between the New Orleans Pelicans and Utah Jazz involving Brandon Ingram, John Collins and Walker Kessler.
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Anyway, what's a HRM you would advocate for this season?
 
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So you want to trade for Ingram, have the team be terrible, have Ingram "pout", and then bring him back?

Makes no sense. You dont trade for a guy playing for next contract if you want to tank.

An Ingram trade made some sense if you wanted to zag and compete with other teams tanking.
 
Cy speaking truth. if you arent bringing ingram back whats the point. dump salary, lose all bigs and just suck and hope you can draft a big that can play defense like kessler?
 
NUMBERICA said:
He didn’t say that anywhere.
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He did, " or get him at a lower cost next year (yeah not likely).'

And if he didnt, that makes this move make even less sense. So we trade for Ingram to lose games? (That doesnt make sense, hes a very good player playing for his max deal).
 
I don't think an Ingram trade is necessarily a bad idea, but this idea of doing it for "roster chaos" or doing it an attempt to win more games next year are both dumb ideas IMO.
 
my HRM is play all rookies a lot. lose a lot, pray for a great player in the 2025 draft which may go down as one of the best of all times. look out for san antonio. they are the smartest team in the league. purposely lose in years with great players. trade players for picks in years with great talent. i mean they will have 2 picks possibly 3 picks in the top 10 in the 2025 draft to pair with wemby going forward. look out.
 
whatthe said:
For my HRM, I would ty to thread the needle and trade Kessler, Collins for Ingram. I would hope losing our big men would lead to a bigger fatal flaw and I would hope we could flip Ingram again (what I would aim for) or get him at a lower cost next year (yeah not likely).

Roster chaos would generate losses and Ingram sitting out and pouting would be ideal. Or him playing well and could be traded works fantastic if we still can't stop teams.

hoopswire.com

Trade Proposal Sends Brandon Ingram To Jazz, Walker Kessler And John Collins To Pelicans

One NBA analyst proposed a trade between the New Orleans Pelicans and Utah Jazz involving Brandon Ingram, John Collins and Walker Kessler.
hoopswire.com hoopswire.com

Anyway, what's a HRM you would advocate for this season?
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Thanks for starting a thread to talk about something. This off season is brutal. I don't really like the idea of bringing in Ingram since we are planning on tanking. If we can use his contract to get off of Collins, then maybe it's worth it, I guess, but I don't think NOP is that desperate.

I'll think about some trade ideas and try and come up with something crazy to add.
 
oldtimer said:
my HRM is play all rookies a lot. lose a lot, pray for a great player in the 2025 draft which may go down as one of the best of all times. look out for san antonio. they are the smartest team in the league. purposely lose in years with great players. trade players for picks in years with great talent. i mean they will have 2 picks possibly 3 picks in the top 10 in the 2025 draft to pair with wemby going forward. look out.
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This is a next to zero risk move.
 
For me, a high risk move would likely revolve around Sexton because there is actually a chance you look really stupid two years from now. Sending him to DET or NOP would be my preferred destination. You will likely be eating trade value, but you may also be knocking out another team from the tank race.
 
full tanking is a high risk move. you are going to upset lauri, sexton and kessler and just hope lady luck favor you and you get a high pick and that pick turns out great. then you hope you are forgiven by the vets who lost a full year why you tanked.
 
oldtimer said:
full tanking is a high risk move. you are going to upset lauri, sexton and kessler and just hope lady luck favor you and you get a high pick and that pick turns out great. then you hope you are forgiven by the vets who lost a full year why you tanked.
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Well that's part of the reason they gave Lauri a massive raise and long-term max deal. Same with Clarkson on his raise and extension he got last year.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So you want to trade for Ingram, have the team be terrible, have Ingram "pout", and then bring him back?

Makes no sense. You dont trade for a guy playing for next contract if you want to tank.

An Ingram trade made some sense if you wanted to zag and compete with other teams tanking.
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That's why it is risky.. lots of potential points of failure
 
whatthe said:
That's why it is risky.. lots of potential points of failure
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What's the best case scenario exactly?

It's nearly a no-upside trade. Why are the Jazz giving up 6 years of contract control on Walker to win more games and potentially lose Ingram in UFA? I really dont think the Jazz are that desperate to get of Collins. It's not like the Jazz have demonstrated any ability to use their cap-space outside of giving their own players raises.

To me, the only way the Jazz get Ingram is if he goes down with a season ender and NOLA is desperate to the point they do Collins for Ingram straight up (plus filler like Svi or Mills).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What's the best case scenario exactly?

It's nearly a no-upside trade. Why are the Jazz giving up 6 years of contract control on Walker to win more games and potentially lose Ingram in UFA? I really dont think the Jazz are that desperate to get of Collins. It's not like the Jazz have demonstrated any ability to use their cap-space outside of giving their own players raises.

To me, the only way the Jazz get Ingram is if he goes down with a season ender and NOLA is desperate to the point they do Collins for Ingram straight up (plus filler like Svi or Mills).
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I think the team is worse with Ingram even though his talent is greater than Kessler's. It would help us not win and secure a lottery position. We then cash out Ingram for 3 FRP at trade deadline. In my mind, we generate an extra FRP value compared against Kessler who's worth 2 FRP and we better secure a valuable 2025 position. I think Kessler risks that. It is a lot of goobly gook speculation and risky but that is why I call it such
 
whatthe said:
I think the team is worse with Ingram even though his talent is greater than Kessler's. It would help us not win and secure a lottery position. We then cash out Ingram for 3 FRP at trade deadline. In my mind, we generate an extra FRP value compared against Kessler who's worth 2 FRP and we better secure a valuable 2025 position. I think Kessler risks that. It is a lot of goobly gook speculation and risky but that is why I call it such
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It would absolutely help the Jazz win games.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Related to this thread. Here are the largest expiring contracts in the NBA according to basketball reference https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html:
- Ben Simmons
- Brandon Ingram
- Jamal Murray
- Bruce Brown
- Brook Lopez
- Malcolm Brogdon
- Clint Capela
- Lonzo Ball
- Myles Turner
- Bogey
- DLo
- Lavert
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Does BKN control their pick next year as well? I thought they only got this year's draft pick back, so they might be interested in making a trade for someone who could help them next year? That's probably Sexton realistically, but maybe they like Clarkson as well?

Sexton and Clarkson for Simmons? Yucky, yuck yuck.
 
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