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I am asking for your signature good people.

It never mentions the government's reason for banning the frogs. It suggests that it is because they have the potential to be poisonous but never quotes anything from the government.

Is it possible that if these frogs escape captivity they have the potential to overrun native species?
 
Gameface said:
It never mentions the government's reason for banning the frogs. It suggests that it is because they have the potential to be poisonous but never quotes anything from the government.

Is it possible that if these frogs escape captivity they have the potential to overrun native species?
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They are endangered species in their natural tropical areas due to their natural habitat loss. They need warm temperatures and high humidity while Alberta is cold and dry ( heck even fleas die out here if brought by traveling pets since their eggs just never hatch due to low humidity). None of these frogs would survive more than few hours after escaping their cages - especially during 6 month winter we have here.
There is just no import of these wild captive frogs at all - thus no risk of poison at all. All frogs we have now in Alberta are captive bred. It is just stupid government officials trying to impose their will for no reason whatsoever. Heck I would support ban of bulldogs like in Scandinavian countries since these poor critters are doomed to suffer since the day they are born due to multiple genetic problems, but caged dart frogs who are absolutely harmless? Just ridiculous.
 
MVP said:
They are endangered species in their natural tropical areas due to their natural habitat loss. They need warm temperatures and high humidity while Alberta is cold and dry ( heck even fleas die out here if brought by traveling pets since their eggs just never hatch due to low humidity). None of these frogs would survive more than few hours after escaping their cages - especially during 6 month winter we have here.
There is just no import of these wild captive frogs at all - thus no risk of poison at all. All frogs we have now in Alberta are captive bred. It is just stupid government officials trying to impose their will for no reason whatsoever. Heck I would support ban of bulldogs like in Scandinavian countries since these poor critters are doomed to suffer since the day they are born due to multiple genetic problems, but caged dart frogs who are absolutely harmless? Just ridiculous.
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So you have a link to a government official saying "This is a way for us to impose our will on people"? I can't get too fired up about a one-sided argument. If I can see the actual reason the government wants to do this and I disagree with it I'd sign the petition. But all I've seen are people shouting into an echo chamber. Kind of a turn off, tbh.
 
This is response one of the most known dart frog breeders got from Alberta fish and wildlife:

The department completed a review of the status of all of the species listed as Controlled Animals in 2013. Last reviewed in 1997, the decision to review the regulations in 2013 was necessary in order to update the regulations and remain as current as possible to address taxonomic changes.

Poison arrow frogs are a focus of major phylogenetic studies and are subject to frequent taxonomic changes. New species are being discovered regularly. This poses challenges to regulators who strive to keep relevant legislation current with ever-changing taxonomy. The decision to list the families of Dendrobatidae and Aromobatidae, rather than to limit the listing to the genus Phyllobates, was applied to recognize that approximately 1/3 of all of the poison arrow frog species are considered poisonous or noxious, that there was a reasonable probability that new species of unknown toxicity would be discovered and therefore ensure that the Wildlife Regulations could be kept more current.

The department is not aware of any evidence-based certification system for differentiating between captive versus wild-caught specimens. The concern with respect to poison concentrations in a variety of species of poison arrow frogs and potential risk to the public remains. Wild-caught frogs are found in the hobby market. While unfortunate, some irresponsible poison arrow frog owners are accessing alkaloid food sources for their frogs.

The management of exotic pets in Alberta is becoming increasingly complex as access to species from around the world increases and consumers desire to own and interact with wild species within their own homes. I acknowledge that the initial communication and consultation on the review of the Controlled Animals list could have been more comprehensive and we will endeavour to improve on our efforts going forward. We have improved the public accessibility to the Controlled Animals list on the department’s web site at: https://esrd.alberta.ca/fish-wildlif...s/wildlife-import-export-permits/default.aspx.

For those people currently in possession of restricted poison arrow frogs, the department will offer a grace period until April 30, 2015 to allow people to divest of the frogs. Previous efforts to utilize a grandfather permit system were not successful and will not be implemented.

I acknowledge the enthusiasm and investment that amphibian owners show toward their hobby and encourage owners to continue to enjoy other species of amphibians that can be lawfully possessed in Alberta.

Attached is a letter which will be mailed to those people known to be in possession of poison arrow frogs. Also attached is an awareness poster that you may post in your business.

Mark Heckbert
 
You would think other provinces, or states would have done that long time ago if there would be any risk. To my knowledge there is not a single case of dart frog poisoning in public ever reported in Canada. They are perfectly legal everywhere else except Florida where reasons you mentioned above would be in effect.
 
I heard that change.org sells your information and I have never seen it do anything. It feels like signing an empty paper.
 
Now if this were trying to ban pitbulls...
 
VINYLONE said:
I will not sign that. While I support your cause, these petitions are usually information aggregators. Besides, rarely do any of these online petitions do any good.
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you're probably right about all that.

information aggregators? what's that? spy alligators? HSA operatives who collect info and make lists of potential targets for FBI darkside promoters of psy-ops? well, I guess maybe I'll just get some more unsolicited ads or something, and my bank might turn me down for a mortgage because I'm a frog wacko?

If you live in fear, you're dead already. I say in the face of "information aggregators" just flood their inputs with nonsense.
 
Jazz Insider said:
OP are you a big frog person or somethin? how many frogs u got. post pics. i had some frogs once. feelin froggy.
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I have Peacock frogs, Malayan leaf frogs, Pacman frogs, African bulllfrog and couple of dart frogs. So yes, it does affect me directly since by the law I would need to sell my dart frogs out of province ( lol who cares about public safety in other parts of Canada or USA right? ) or euthanize them.
Again, stupidest thing in all this situation that there was not a single case of frog toxicity in people in Alberta ever. They have better reason banning chihuahuas as those little land sharks bite people on regular basis and are certainly much higher danger to public than caged frogs.
 
Jazz Insider said:
OP are you a big frog person or somethin? how many frogs u got. post pics. i had some frogs once. feelin froggy.
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I have Peacock frogs, Malayan leaf frogs, Pacman frogs, African bulllfrog and couple of dart frogs. So yes, it does affect me directly since by the law I would need to sell my dart frogs out of province ( lol who cares about public safety in other parts of Canada or USA right? ) or euthanize them.
Again, stupidest thing in all this situation that there was not a single case of frog toxicity in people in Alberta ever. They have better reason banning chihuahuas as those little land sharks bite people on regular basis and are certainly much higher danger to public than caged frogs.
 
MVP said:
what's the point of owning fish, snakes, turtles, hamsters, parrots, dogs or cats may I ask?
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Well, dogs and cats will at least interact with you. I mean, I guess I just don't get it. Like, do you watch your frogs hop around all day? I just wanna know what you do with your frogs.
 
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