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green said:
I'm not for eliminating food stamps. I'm for eliminating 80% of what they can buy with food stamps.

Uncooked meat, fresh veggies and fruit (no canned stuff), loaf of bread, uncooked pasta (spaghetti and elbows only), milk, and that's it. Those on food stamps will eat healthier than anyone else. If they don't like it, simple solution: get a job.
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I say we let them all gather in a park and then we throw potatoes at them.
 
heyhey said:
I say we let them all gather in a park and then we throw potatoes at them.
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lol. I'm not sure where you live, but I bet most people don't realize that down in Provo/Orem, there might not be anyone left to actually throw the potatoes...

I bet Orem/Provo gets more medicaid/food stamps money than the rest of the state. Quite conservative down there.
 
heyhey said:
^An individual no. A militia yes.

Smokers should get tax credit for spending 7 less years on ssi and fewer years in extended care facilities. If you don't like smoke go to a different bar.

I am. If I can't pay sue me and take my things. Maybe you should help to get motorcycles banned.

And I hope it stays that way.

Again I am. Beauticians are licensed because beauty schools lobby for it. Janitors and cashiers spread disease too. Let's start a janitorial/cashier college and make sure they are licensed.
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Haha.

Not all smokers receive SSI and not all SSI recipients smoke. Same with care facilities. At least try to make a valid counter arguement. It isn't that hard.
 
heyhey said:
Really? Ohh man I had no idea. I've changed my mind.

Seriously, food stamps is an emergency program from the great depression. The statement that Americans would starve without it is fear mongering.
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Do you have any data to support this statement? I am by no means a nanny state guy but these programs do have a time and place.
 
One Brow said:
How does that compare to the additional costs in lost productivity, additional health expenses, etc.? Got any hard numbers?
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/9703.php
Action on Smoking and Health" tells us that a 30-year-old smoker can expect to live about 35 more years, whereas a 30-year-old nonsmoker can expect to live 53 more years.
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As you can see the average smoker dies @ 65 while non smokers die @ 83
21% of the federal budget is from social security. Smokers pay in and don't collect. This is just one example of the savings smokers impart on society. It's so funny to me that people think that if they don't smoke they will never get a disease and die. The average non smoker will visit the hospital many more times than a non smoker. Think of all the hip replacements that were not carried out on people because they never lived long enough to need one.

Also, you didn't answer the question. What's the smokers responsibility regarding the damage his smoking causes others?
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I did answer the question. If you don't like second hand smoke don't patronize an establishment that allows smoking.
 
heyhey said:
Seriously, food stamps is an emergency program from the great depression. The statement that Americans would starve without it is fear mongering.
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Actually, it's historical. You've confused a program that ended in 1943 with a different program, of the same name, started in 1961 as a response to starvation in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program

green,

If it's balanced with concerns of basic human dignity and the reality of the working poor, I have no objection to the notion that food stamps should be limited in some fashion or that foods should have to qualify for them. However, you don't always have time or energy to properly cook raw meat after working a full shift.
 
heyhey said:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/9703.php

Federal_Spending_-_FY_2007.png

As you can see the average smoker dies @ 65 while non smokers die @ 83
21% of the federal budget is from social security. Smokers pay in and don't collect. This is just one example of the savings smokers impart on society. It's so funny to me that people think that if they don't smoke they will never get a disease and die. The average non smoker will visit the hospital many more times than a non smoker. Think of all the hip replacements that were not carried out on people because they never lived long enough to need one.


I did answer the question. If you don't like second hand smoke don't patronize an establishment that allows smoking.
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This I agree with.

You do understand that while controled by Social Security, SSI is a unique program that not everyone qualifies for right?
 
heyhey said:
It's so funny to me that people think that if they don't smoke they will never get a disease and die. The average non smoker will visit the hospital many more times than a non smoker. Think of all the hip replacements that were not carried out on people because they never lived long enough to need one.
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Your post did not contain anything on the increase in health care costs, increase in disability claims, different unemployment rates, etc., from smoking. It was a massive fail.

heyhey said:
I did answer the question. If you don't like second hand smoke don't patronize an establishment that allows smoking.
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If you are saying the smoker bears no responsibility for the effects of his smoke on other people, just say it honesty. All this dancing just make you look hypocritical.
 
One Brow said:
If you are saying the smoker bears no responsibility for the effects of his smoke on other people, just say it honesty. All this dancing just make you look hypocritical.
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There is no dancing. You don't need to throw a temper tantrum because I have a logical position that differs from your views. I'm not going to walk into your daycare center smoking and you should stay out of smokey bars.
 
heyhey said:
People are not allowed to buy prepared food on food stamps.
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Interesting point. I am not interested in ensuring that food stamps guarantee that a person eats as well as I am when I recieve no assistance and everything I eat is out of my own pocket.

I am interested in food stamps keeping people from starving. Not that they have the same quality of food as a person paying for it all themselves.
 
Stoked said:
Interesting point. I am not interested in ensuring that food stamps guarantee that a person eats as well as I am when I recieve no assistance and everything I eat is out of my own pocket.

I am interested in food stamps keeping people from starving. Not that they have the same quality of food as a person paying for it all themselves.
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In that case I say just give em beans and rice.
 
heyhey said:
People are not allowed to buy prepared food on food stamps.
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When you say things like this, it's very hard to take you seriously.

heyhey said:
There is no dancing. You don't need to throw a temper tantrum because I have a logical position that differs from your views. I'm not going to walk into your daycare center smoking and you should stay out of smokey bars.
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There are ten million logical positions that differ from mine, very few are valuable interpretations of the world. Also, you're still not answering the question.
 
I don't think people would starve. Would it be more difficult for some,yes. Any policy that gives people an incentive to not better themselves victimizes the recipient. I actually wouldn't eliminate food stamps in their entirety either. Just playing a little devil's advocate.

The other stuff I'm dead serious about though.

Especially throwing potatoes at poor people.
 
One Brow said:
There are ten million logical positions that differ from mine, very few are valuable interpretations of the world. Also, you're still not answering the question.
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Yes I am. Second hand smoke is avoidable. No one is going to strap you into your high chair and blow smoke in your face.
 
Just a little fyi, ordinary citizens can buy rocket launchers, cannons, etc. Hasn't seemed to be too big of an issue. Can't remember hearing of a crime where someone used any of those things to gain an advantage.

I always think it's pretty funny when people bust out that silly *** scare tactic.
 
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