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If Gobert and Mitchell both return, I'll watch the games and cheer


Ferguson_Mellochill

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I enjoy following the league and enjoy the chase of trying to improve, so I'll follow the team regardless. The combination of Ainge, Zanik and ownership's desire to be in the spotlight actually make me optimistic for the future of this team. The real issue here is that Dennis Lindsey invested in a group of players who are now getting old, and the Jazz don't have young talent in the pipeline developing alongside Mitchell and Gobert. It puts them in a predicament.

Maybe it's still possible to retool around Gobert and Mitchell, but the Jazz don't have much in the way of assets to do it with. Gobert has value that can and probably should be moved while there's a market for him. Jazz can get assets for Gobert, but they won't likely bring back a star. Mitchell is a solid talent, but he's going to start exercising his leverage in advance of his free agency 2 years from now. That only gives the Jazz a 2-year window to rebuild around him. Jazz would be forced to move Mitchell or face another Gordon Hayward situation.

The ideal situation for any team, let alone a small-market team, is to acquire young talent that creates an elite core with at least a 5-year time window to play at a high level together. Boston acquired Brown and Tatum as 19 year-olds in back-to-back drafts. That gave Boston a solid foundation to build around, and you can see the results. Milwaukee has had Giannis and Khris Middleton to build around for several years, and it paid off. Golden State's core of Steph, Klay and Draymond are 34, 32 and 32, respectively. They have given the Warriors nearly a 10-year window of competitiveness and contention.

Right now, the Jazz are stuck with talent that's not good enough to make the NBA Finals, but also are without a coherent timeline to improve and get there. That's why I would advocate for flushing out most of the assets the Jazz do have in order to establish a timeline. There are no guarantees, obviously, but a new young core of Ivey, Eason and Daniels from this draft would be an amazing start. Then in next year's solid draft, the Jazz would get two more good, young prospects. The result should be three solid young players to build around, all between the ages of 19 and 22. From there, the Jazz can decide who to keep and how to fit pieces around them.

Otherwise....I mean, is Zach Lavine going to want to come to the Jazz and work a sign-and-trade?
 
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Saint Cy of JFC

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He's not perfect, but the Jazz would continue to be a 55-win team and have a shot to break through to the WCF for the next couple years before Mitchell says he wants out.
It would be such a weird fit. One would have to clearly concede and it would be awkward for Mitchell if LaVine clearly surpasses him (which I would put at 50/50 shot)
 

Ferguson_Mellochill

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It would be such a weird fit. One would have to clearly concede and it would be awkward for Mitchell if LaVine clearly surpasses him (which I would put at 50/50 shot)

Maybe, but it worked okay with Lavine and DeRozan in Chicago. The idea is to have a 1a/1b scenario, so when Donovan gets swarmed by 2 or 3 defenders, he has someone worthwhile to give the ball to.
 

Ferguson_Mellochill

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You know who had the best rebuild of any team I've ever seen? Orlando, when they drafted Shaq and Penny in back-to-back drafts. They were in the NBA Finals by Shaq's 3rd year.

Then there was the Boston Celtics team that traded for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen in one off-season. They went from the worst record in the NBA to the best in one year.

Otherwise, teams need to draft multiple star players, develop them for 5+ years, and hope they don't demand to leave.
 

FrenchJazzFa

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I do think both will stay. So we need to bring player who can inprove our defensive issue, let Don go the the scoring part. Which player can we trade for that? hard to tell. Mike is too expensive to have great value, Bodga and Clarkson have value but not high. We still have a 2 year window and we are smart. But it's a tight one. Maybe hiring a good mental coach may help?
 

LogGrad98

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I'll watch and cheer and be so happy when we win or have a great showing. Then I'll get mad and depressed and bitch and moan when they lose. Then I'll be calling for Mitchell to be in the MVP conversation, and claiming that Rudy is the best defender the league has ever seen. Then I'll be wondering why the hell we didn't trade one or both of them. Then I'll be dancing and screaming when they come back from 20 with a strong 3rd quarter, then screaming about why the hell we didn't trade the whole team when we drop a 18 point lead in the 4th quarter.

You know, all the basic fan stuff.
 

Handlogten's Heros

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It worked out so well that now LaVine wants to leave one of the biggest markets in the NBA?

Plus Lavine/DeRozan are remarkably different as players.
Zach is a loser… I’m convinced he prefers getting his and being the star over winning. Just had his most successful season as a pro by far and wants to leave?

This all may be premature of me… and I suppose he could just want to go home to Portland but I think he may not have been cool riding shotgun to Derozan.
 


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