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If Kanter and Williams are gone by #3, take Jimmer

The new CBA will likely address many of the issues surrounding player movement. Free agency won't be completely eliminated, but the owners will make sure another LeBron "decision" never happens again. Nor will they want another Carmelo situation (or DWill) or what started to happen with CP3. Besides, money talks. Matthews LOVED Utah. But when he was offered a ton of $ to sign with Portland, he didn't hesitate. Nor did Millsap. I don't know Carlos or Memo really loved Utah, but the Jazz offered more than any other team.

I'm an alumnus of BYU. I really like Jimmer. I think he'd be a great addition to the Jazz. But NOT at #3. He's not a better prospect than Kanter, Irving, Williams or Knight. Those guys all have tremendous upside. Jimmer has little; he's played 4 years of college.
 
Chris said:
Yes, I did put Jimmer over every other point guard in this draft. I want to emphasize that it's because of who Jimmer is in relation to Utah and the fact that I think the Jazz will miss out on getting him with the 12 pick. He belongs in Utah. Obviously, he has a huge talent basketball-wise that we're all familiar with but there's the intangibles too that the Jazz, an organization known for their stability, value more than most teams. For example, he's not going to be a malcontent like D-Will was starting to turn into before he left.

As Jazz fans, we have to understand that there's more to drafting players than JUST talent. Does anyone here honestly think that if we draft a Kyrie Irving or another elite talent in this era's NBA of players dictating pretty much everything that we'll actually be able to hold onto these guys beyond 3-6 years? It's likely, that the D-Will situation (where he actually signed an extension beyond his rookie contract) could very well end up becoming the best case scenario. He was the last player we drafted this high and I just think Jimmer makes the most sense for the Utah Jazz (in particular) at 3 if the scenario shakes down the way I mentioned in the first post. We can all list the players who have been very open about not wanting to play in Utah. And here's Jimmer, with a world of talent, who would love more than anything to play his whole career in Salt Lake City. And that's just one of the reasons that he's a perfect fit for the Jazz at the 3 spot.
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Okay so you are advocating drafting a far inferior player because he might stay beyond his rookie contract? Do you realize how stupid that is?

Viny's not here so I'll say it.

Please delete your account!
 
Never under estimate the almighty dollar. All team owners in the NBA are businessmen. These same owners are crying poverty, claiming 22 0f the 30 NBA teams are losing money. With the third pick the Jazz will not find their Moses to lead them to the promised land of an NBA championship. They can find someone to bring in a ton of money and that is Fredette. This is a very weak draft, and there is no way Fredette will fall past 8th pick simply because of his marketability. I know some Jazz fans don't want to hear it, but look for Fredette to be wearing a Jazz uniform very soon.
 
theGrizzFan said:
Never under estimate the almighty dollar. All team owners in the NBA are businessmen. These same owners are crying poverty, claiming 22 0f the 30 NBA teams are losing money. With the third pick the Jazz will not find their Moses to lead them to the promised land of an NBA championship. They can find someone to bring in a ton of money and that is Fredette. This is a very weak draft, and there is no way Fredette will fall past 8th pick simply because of his marketability. I know some Jazz fans don't want to hear it, but look for Fredette to be wearing a Jazz uniform very soon.
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Winning puts butts into seats and winners put jerseys on fans and money in owners' pockets.

You get the best player's available to do that. Fredette could be that at 12. Not at 3.
 
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Chris said:
He belongs in Utah.
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I'm on record on why I don't want Jimmer on the Jazz and why I don't think he'll be a top-20 PG in the NBA so I won't get into what's been debated ad nauseum again, but I always like to do the "If <Player X> was from <different school/state> would fans still want to draft him this highly" and IMO Jimmer's value significantly falls for Jazz fans had he played at San Diego State instead of Provo.

2 points about Jimmer's draft appeal for Utah:
-Rule #1 of the draft is never pick players to sell tickets. You sell tickets by winning - and you win by drafting the best players - not the hometown heroes.
-If you base your selection of players over the issue of whether they'll leave in 4 years when they become an UFA you're pulling the cart way before the horse. Make sure you have a player who's good enough that you'll even care if he leaves or not. Don't forget, nobody was holding a gun to Deron's head making him sign his 4-year extension in 2008. If he really didn't like living in Utah, he could've been a FA in 2009 and gone elsewhere - but the Jazz were winning alot of games.

IMO it all comes down to how talent and potential translates from college to the NBA - I believe Irving is head & shoulders above Jimmer in both, and I think Knight has a small edge as well. Can see both of those players starting in virtually any system - with Jimmer I only see a situational starter who needs to be in the right system.
 
theGrizzFan said:
Never under estimate the almighty dollar. All team owners in the NBA are businessmen. These same owners are crying poverty, claiming 22 0f the 30 NBA teams are losing money. With the third pick the Jazz will not find their Moses to lead them to the promised land of an NBA championship. They can find someone to bring in a ton of money and that is Fredette. This is a very weak draft, and there is no way Fredette will fall past 8th pick simply because of his marketability. I know some Jazz fans don't want to hear it, but look for Fredette to be wearing a Jazz uniform very soon.
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If that is the case they would trade down with Washington and grab him at 6 and get Washington's 18th pick + possibly more. I agree they may value Jimmer's marketability more than anything, but there is no way the Jazz pick Jimmer at 3rd.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Jimmer's marketability being epic out of the gate. However, if he doesn't peform, and the Jazz are viewed as having wasted a pick, there may be a short honeymoon. Could be wrong though.
 
I disagree.

Cleveland or Minny might take him...

Trade up for the #1 and complete this marriage.
 
Solid post vslice. I think that, even though your idea about Jimmer's likeability in Utah if he didn't go to BYU, I both agree and disagree. While he might be less popular to a degree, I think that the fans in Utah would still be huge fans of a hard working, confident but not cocky Mormon who is one of the best shooters in the NCAA in some time. For me, my optimism regarding Jimmer is justified: he's a worthy candidate of the 3rd pick should Kanter and Williams be off the board when it's their turn to choose. I like Irving too, I'm just a bigger fan of Jimmer.

I also see your point about Jimmer flourishing only if he gets into the right system. While that might be true, I think that he will flourish best in whatever system is devised by Tyrone Corbin and the powers that be. He will immediately become the most popular player on the team and will sell all the tickets and merch that the organization could want in the upcoming season.

But that popularity lasts only for a while. You have to work hard and produce results. Everything I know about Jimmer leads me to the conclusion that he is a dedicated athlete who's also a winner and a leader. The Jazz have the ability to create an offense that compliments his strengths and minimizes any shortcomings that he may have. Ideally, a good offense would do that to a degree for all of the skilled players on their team. After all, good coaches do this kind of stuff all the time. We know that Sloan had his system, but what will Tyrone Corbin's approach be now? Especially since he's 'the guy' and the Jazz have 4 lottery picks this year and last (Favors) on their team.

I believe Jimmer's got what it takes to succeed at the next level. Utah is a team that is being completely overhauled and can go in any direction they choose. They are building this squad essentially from scratch, around a really talented core of young guys, one of whom could be a guy who is already hugely popular with their fan base. Jimmer will succeed not just because of his talent, but most of all for his determination to get better all the time. That's who I want leading my team.
 
Is it just me or are there a bunch of new posters professing their love for Jimmer.... Just sick....

For the dude that thinks we should draft Jimmer 3rd. Hear's what you do.... Delete your jazzfanz account bury your computer smartphone or whatever as to get rid of any temptation to post hear ever again.

This is very important to save my sanity....

I mean are you for real!!!!!!!!! Jimmer at three really! I hope this is a joke.
 
Not smart at 3. Even if you think Fredette's the best player in the entire draft you still have to draft the perceived BPA. THEN you can trade the perceived better player for the guy you like + assets. Otherwise it's a waste.

Fredette will likely be there at 12. He just has to fall past the kings. If the Jazz stay away from Knight then that means either Knight or Kemba (as well as Fredette) will be there for the Kings.
 
vslice02 said:
IMO it all comes down to how talent and potential translates from college to the NBA - I believe Irving is head & shoulders above Jimmer in both, and I think Knight has a small edge as well.
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This is why I see using the 3rd pick on Knight as a waste.
 
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