If we don't end up with a top 3 pick it's time to fire DL

[yamers]

would be an utter failure if we don't get our selves into the bottom 3.

1. we didn't developed any young players.
2. Played Jeffertrash way too many minutes.

If we can trade jefferass for some dog biscuits it would be good, but nobody would want that contract off off of us.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Freak out harder.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Like a monkey ****ing a football.....

 

[b_line]

Lol

 

[GVC]

would be an utter failure if we don't get our selves into the bottom 3.

The 1-14 start gave a bunch of people false hope. Finishing below Philly, Milwaukee, Orlando or Boston was always a long shot. Take a look at those teams' rosters. No talent.

 

[Stoked]

would be an utter failure if we don't get our selves into the bottom 3.

1. we didn't developed any young players.
2. Played Jeffertrash way too many minutes.

If we can trade jefferass for some dog biscuits it would be good, but nobody would want that contract off off of us.

Those both seem like coach jobs, not a GMs job. DL has been great so far. Calling for his job is both an over reaction and drastically premature.

 

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The 1-14 start gave a bunch of people false hope. Finishing below Philly, Milwaukee, Orlando or Boston was always a long shot. Take a look at those teams' rosters. No talent.

I agree. But it is time to move Marvin (and Jefferson and Rush, if possible) in order to suck worse. Liquidate what you can liquidate.

 

[Stoked]

I agree. But it is time to move Marvin (and Jefferson and Rush, if possible) in order to suck worse. Liquidate what you can liquidate.

I agree. I would have liked to see that done a month ago. But even if he does not trade Willaims or Jefferson corrections can still be made thru roatations and minutes. Hopefully he talks to Ty and gets Ty on board.

Unleash the Gobert, Evans, Thomas, Clark, Lucas line up on the world.

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!

 

[sgjazzfan]

So you want to fire DL if we don't win the lottery and get into the top 3, sounds reasonable.

 

[DutchJazzer]

would be an utter failure if we don't get our selves into the bottom 3.

1. we didn't developed any young players.
2. Played Jeffertrash way too many minutes.

If we can trade jefferass for some dog biscuits it would be good, but nobody would want that contract off off of us.

we needed to develop jefferson his ceiling is higher than burks

 

[framer]

Is someone going to mention that playing Jefferson more minutes at the expense of playing Burke 35-40 is actually HELPING the Tank? The numbers back this up. If you want a top 3 guaranteed you will need to shoot Trey Burke and play JL3 for 30 + minutes. That is the only way. I'm pretty sure that DL isn't going to do that (he did his part by putting JL3 on the roster.) So you might as well give him his walking papers now.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The 1-14 start gave a bunch of people false hope. Finishing below Philly, Milwaukee, Orlando or Boston was always a long shot. Take a look at those teams' rosters. No talent.

Agree. Finishing below those teasm would have certainly meant - except in the case of injuries - that some of our vaunted "core5" were complete busts.

Hayward: 36 mins/per
Favors: 31 mins
Burke: 31 mins
Burks: 27 mins
Kanter: 25 mins

Of those totals, you could probably argue for Kanter getting 5 more and Burks to be over 30 as well. But overall, not bad. Probably my only objection is too many minutes for Jefferson. Marvin, I understand. Really need to see if a) the stretch-4 model is what Utah wants to use going forward and b) if MW is effective in that role and worthy of a contract offer. As for RJ, he's likely being shopped. But due to his high salary, I doubt a deal will happen. Just too difficult to trade a player making 2x what his value is.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I agree. But it is time to move Marvin (and Jefferson and Rush, if possible) in order to suck worse. Liquidate what you can liquidate.

Please, be the GM and tell us what deal you would make. Here's a tool so you can match up salaries to make trades allowable under the CBA. Or should we just stop at LeBron plus the GS pick for Jefferson and Rush? Hey, it works in the trade machine! Miami is going to lose him anyway. And they're not better than Indiana or OKC. This allows them to save on their tax payout.

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

If I were DL, these two deals look palatable (again, though, would the other team have interest?):
1) a. Jefferson or b. Williams and Rush (to make salaries match) for Okafors expiring + Phoenix's best pick. Morris brothers have cooled off. Jefferson or Williams gives them the outside shooting they like.

2) Williams to Grizzlies for Prince. Allow them top-3 protection on their pick if they insist.
What I hate about the trade: Stuck with Prince's $7M contract next year.
What I like about the trade: If Memphis misses the playoffs, we get the #14 pick. If they make the playoffs, it's likely the 21st. However, there's a chance they knock GS out. But probably more likely they knock Phoenix or Dallas out.
I'd offer them Jefferson if they liked him better, but it's virtually impossible to make salaries match. Trading Prince for Williams also keeps Memphis under the luxury tax limit (just barely). This deal makes the most sense, IMO.

 

[SojoDave]

DL is a smart dude. He has a contingency plan where we will be able to trade JL3 for the number one pick...

 

[Stifle Tower]

DL is a smart dude. He has a contingency plan where we will be able to trade JL3 for the number one pick...

I'd say there's a 90% chance DL has to let all the contracts just expire. And then we'll have to put up with all the pissing and moaning about how he isn't doing his job and should be fired. Meanwhile, those same posters will be picking their favorite choices in the Spring for GS' #1 (you know, the deal Lindsey was able to make BECAUSE he let Jefferson and Millsap "walk for nothing").

10% chance Williams or Jefferson is traded. The list is very narrow as only a few teams have the right combination of needs and throw-away assets. DL MIGHT accept a 2-yr contract (e.g. Prince), but I think he wants that cap space going into the summer. So I won't be surprised (or disappointed or critical), if no deals happen.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Please, be the GM and tell us what deal you would make. Here's a tool so you can match up salaries to make trades allowable under the CBA. Or should we just stop at LeBron plus the GS pick for Jefferson and Rush? Hey, it works in the trade machine! Miami is going to lose him anyway. And they're not better than Indiana or OKC. This allows them to save on their tax payout.

https://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

If I were DL, these two deals look palatable (again, though, would the other team have interest?):
1) a. Jefferson or b. Williams and Rush (to make salaries match) for Okafors expiring + Phoenix's best pick. Morris brothers have cooled off. Jefferson or Williams gives them the outside shooting they like.

2) Williams to Grizzlies for Prince. Allow them top-3 protection on their pick if they insist.
What I hate about the trade: Stuck with Prince's $7M contract next year.
What I like about the trade: If Memphis misses the playoffs, we get the #14 pick. If they make the playoffs, it's likely the 21st. However, there's a chance they knock GS out. But probably more likely they knock Phoenix or Dallas out.
I'd offer them Jefferson if they liked him better, but it's virtually impossible to make salaries match. Trading Prince for Williams also keeps Memphis under the luxury tax limit (just barely). This deal makes the most sense, IMO.

Jazz will need to spend their money somewhere next season. They can't bring in too much of a long term salary with both Kanter and Burks needing to be extended after next season, so having a player on 1 year of Salary is a good deal. I would take a pick in this years draft (possibly lottery at 14 if they miss the playoffs) for 1 year of Prince (as long as Corbin doesn't insist on playing him 25+ minutes a game).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Jazz will need to spend their money somewhere next season. They can't bring in too much of a long term salary with both Kanter and Burks needing to be extended after next season, so having a player on 1 year of Salary is a good deal. I would take a pick in this years draft (possibly lottery at 14 if they miss the playoffs) for 1 year of Prince (as long as Corbin doesn't insist on playing him 25+ minutes a game).

Won't be a problem with Kanter or Burks. Remember, there's a significant spread between the cap and the luxury tax line. Monetary concerns really won't hit until Burke, Gobert and then the 2014 picks come up for contracts. Jazz could easily afford up to a MAX FA (or 2 that add up to that amount) without landing in luxury tax territory.

 

[UGLI baby]

We should fire whatever coach we are going to replace Corbin with.

FIRE CORBIN REPLACEMENT COACH!!

 

[Stifle Tower]

We should fire whatever coach we are going to replace Corbin with.

FIRE CORBIN REPLACEMENT COACH!!

Need to completely start over. Fire Jason! Fire Colton! Fire all the Mods!

 

[infection]

It's probably imperative to look at how drastically 5 positions in the lottery (and its associated ping pong ball combinations differential) could effect this franchise financially over the next 10 years. It goes without saying that the lottery is a crapshoot, but when we're talking about the specifics of this year with our specific circumstances then it leaves a pretty high probability that ~5 spots could significantly effect this franchise over the next 10 years. As a GM that's your primary job -- developing something that translate well to a healthy bottom line. The reward is potentially large if not franchise changing, while the risks are, if not nil, incredibly short-term and almost negligible.

That being said, from a purely financial point of view (never mind basketball point of view), then it's time to tank the **** out of this season. There are a couple key ways this can be done. Here are my suggestions:

1. Marvin needs to be traded. Straight up for Prince, if necessary. The Grizzlies will certainly do this. His salary next year is irrelevant. We don't need all that cap space next year. We will need temporary fillers to cover us to the salary floor until some of our extensions kick in. We don't want to be loading up on long-term deals and Prince, providing a financial salary holding spot would actually help us transition in a healthy manner financially speaking. Getting rid of Marvin will take away a stabilizing presence, but at the same time give the young guys an opportunity to take lead.

2. Fire Ty. This has to be done carefully and not abruptly. Small subtle hints in the media. Let rumors circulate to get pressure on him and let it sizzle a while until people are waiting for him to be let go. We've known since early last season that Corbin likely isn't coming back. We've been very generous and have been extending a courtesy allowing him to finish. I think as a fan base and franchise we struggle with this feeling it would be ungentlemanly to let him go for our convenience, but one thing we need to come to reality with is that Greg isn't running Larry Miller's Utah Jazz. Seriously. This entire franchise has turned over since Larry stepped down. Ty is currently the 8th most tenured coach. Many are fired for much, much less, and we've gone far and above status quo with the amount of time we've allowed Ty. He's coaching for his best interest. Nobody faults him for that. It's what he's gotta do. But those interests vary drastically from what's in this franchise's interest, which would/should be DL's primary interest. These are irreconcilable and it's time for a no-fault separation.

3. Give or take on this one. Sidney Lowe as interim.

I think #1 and 2 would take us a ways in the tank game, which is absolutely necessary at this point. This is one of those times that the fans' best interest and the FO's financial best interests are aligning perfectly and a very, very good opportunity will be wasted if not capitalized upon.