Isn't that what I said?
I'll show you mine if you show me yours....
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Isn't that what I said?
Nah. You wrote you were "moderate, leaning left." I see that and think "blue dog Dem." That's not you.
Oof.
Why? Because I believe risk and failure are integral parts of capitalism?
DeliveryBoy
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Registered Independent, vote Dem more often than not. I won't register with a party until we get rid of the electoral college and go with some form of popular vote. Obama supporter, although I have always contended that he was the best of two bad options. I loved Jon Huntsman Jr when he was Governor, and he'd be the only guy that I'd even consider voting for over Obama.
I think the two most important issues we face as a society are wealth inequality and campaign finance, followed closely by a number of environmental issues (water, climate change, etc.) I'm only radical and ideological about campaign finance-I view the other two simply as problems that need to be addressed. I'm pro-capitalism and private industry, but I think the flaws and dangers are apparent and have to be dealt with.
I try not to think about morality when it comes to politics. I focus on practicality, and the effects any given policy will have. I don't think of many positions as "right" or "wrong." I prefer simple, gradual change to radical, drastic change.
I think the issues we talk about most often are far, far different than the issues we should be talking about. I think our political debates, especially among regular people, aren't honest enough, and driven by factoids and scripted lines fed to us by our preferred biased media outlet.
Pro-gay people, pro-abortion, pro-gun (though not all the time, some restrictions are needed), pro-liquor, pro-weed, pro-legal prostitution, pro-labor but not necessarily pro-union, anti-religion but pro-respecting other peoples' religious choice, pro-science, anti-vegan but pro-eating less meat.
So, yeah. I guess pretty typical of my generation (I'm 24.)
I think the two most important issues we face as a society are wealth inequality and campaign finance, followed closely by a number of environmental issues (water, climate change, etc.) I'm only radical and ideological about campaign finance-I view the other two simply as problems that need to be addressed. I'm pro-capitalism and private industry, but I think the flaws and dangers are apparent and have to be dealt with.
I try not to think about morality when it comes to politics. I focus on practicality, and the effects any given policy will have. I don't think of many positions as "right" or "wrong." I prefer simple, gradual change to radical, drastic change.
I think the issues we talk about most often are far, far different than the issues we should be talking about. I think our political debates, especially among regular people, aren't honest enough, and driven by factoids and scripted lines fed to us by our preferred biased media outlet.
Pro-gay people, pro-abortion, pro-gun (though not all the time, some restrictions are needed), pro-liquor, pro-weed, pro-legal prostitution, pro-labor but not necessarily pro-union, anti-religion but pro-respecting other peoples' religious choice, pro-science, anti-vegan but pro-eating less meat.
So, yeah. I guess pretty typical of my generation (I'm 24.)
Please explain.
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin and a lot of other signers of the Declaration of Independence were more courageous than I in taking my stand. I know Canadians might sorta question why the colonies revolted from their queen, but it was the Americans who picked up the line of advancement in human rights and took it to the next level.
Overall, their idea of government was that it should be restricted to the narrowest definition of essential things to keep the United States strong enough to remain free and free enough to prosper.
That's why I signed on with the Constitution Party a few years ago, but I have to admit I like Ralph Nader too, and some of the Libertarian leaders.
I know a fair number of people who would be ashamed if anyone knew they once voted for Carter, Bush, or Clinton. . . . because they were all disappointments. . . . I was confessing that I sometimes feel ashamed to be a citizen of a country that goes around the world strutin' our military hardware and imposing our corporate interests on people who never got to vote on what we're doing. In the short run it's "useless foreign wars", in the long run it will backfire on us and hurt us all.Our founders had a revolutionary ideal of human liberty but they did not seek to go out and impose it on other nations. Their foreign policy was "Alliance with none, Commerce with all."
We don't need to have American-owned oil cartels pumping the arab oil. We just need a desireable stable currency and a lot of stuff we can exchange at a fair price for what we need.
SirKicky, like a lot of fairly smart liberals, is inverting the American value system and thinking in terms of governance needs, convenience for the managerial class, over what would happen if people were making their own decisions. A lot of folks have the librarian mentality. Sure they've read a lot of books and have a lot of good ideas of how things can be improved in the world, and somehow they have inserted themselves into the equation as somehow wiser than others and fit to make the decisions for others. While individuals might check books out from the same library, they are free to subsequently think things over and maybe do something better than the books say. It's not for a few very smart people to guide mankind and assume control of governance, it's for people to choose to take responsibility for themselves and act in their own chosen way, and direct their government.
That's why there was an American Revolution.
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PearlWatson
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I've been exposing myself for like 4 months already.
I'm conservative with babe leanings.
Democrats never represent me. Republicans sometimes do.
I registered Republican to vote in the primary.
Reasoned and/or witty political banter appeals to me.
I have to respect someone to be swayed by them.
Sometimes I get so disturbed by the state of my country (or the Jazz) I have to watch a chick flick
or read a Jane Austen novel.
I wouldn't be writing this if I wasn't extremely tired but unable to sleep.
I'm conservative with babe leanings.
Democrats never represent me. Republicans sometimes do.
I registered Republican to vote in the primary.
Reasoned and/or witty political banter appeals to me.
I have to respect someone to be swayed by them.
Sometimes I get so disturbed by the state of my country (or the Jazz) I have to watch a chick flick
or read a Jane Austen novel.
I wouldn't be writing this if I wasn't extremely tired but unable to sleep.
Only for a little contrast. I'm sure I'm somewhere to the right of you on the transfer payments issue.
My biggest hiccup is I don't see how we could have sucked up all the slack through capital projects and by QE devaluation efforts alone. I also don't see how extending unemployment benefits to infinity makes things better either (for starters, it may be the trap that holds underwater borrowers from economic liberation a la 'jingle mail'). I'm agnostic on the issue instead of lockstep with either side.
I'd like to hear a little more of Pearl's suggestions (and should point out I disagree they should be deficit financed).
You think Obama is a bad option but Huntsman is the only better candidate?
IMO you'd serve yourself better by voting in the republican primaries and trying to either sway the party back to the middle or vote in the R version of a Blue Dog.