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Ines Sainz Controversy & female reporters in men's locker room

moevillini said:
in general, I think there's a difference between saying someone is "at fault" versus saying they "share some responsibility"

And who knows, you could've locked your car and set an alarm and your cd's may still have been stolen. And Ines could've dressed in a nun's habit and still have been harassed. Who knows? But then again, why take a chance?
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This.

+2... Err.. I already gave you green rep a little ago so I can't now, but remind me later, and I'll hit you up. :D
 
moevillini said:
in general, I think there's a difference between saying someone is "at fault" versus saying they "share some responsibility"

And who knows, you could've locked your car and set an alarm and your cd's may still have been stolen. And Ines could've dressed in a nun's habit and still have been harassed. Who knows? But then again, why take a chance?
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Yeah, I agree with you, but people here are pointing at her part in this as a way of absolving the players from any responsibility to act respectfully.

I also wonder how bad the behavior was in the first place. I haven't read anything that really describes what the players did specifically so it's hard to say if they were really over the line or not. There are a lot of situations where it's okay to make a proposition to a woman if she welcomes it, but could get you fired if she doesn't. Only you can't usually tell until you actually act. The funniest part is if the woman is interested and wondering why you're being such a wuss about it and not approaching her. Well, funny to me because I'm married and don't hit on women in the workplace.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, I agree with you, but people here are pointing at her part in this as a way of absolving the players from any responsibility to act respectfully.

I also wonder how bad the behavior was in the first place. I haven't read anything that really describes what the players did specifically so it's hard to say if they were really over the line or not. There are a lot of situations where it's okay to make a proposition to a woman if she welcomes it, but could get you fired if she doesn't. Only you can't usually tell until you actually act. The funniest part is if the woman is interested and wondering why you're being such a wuss about it and not approaching her. Well, funny to me because I'm married and don't hit on women in the workplace.
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They threw footballs close to her so they could pick them up and check her out. Then they said "stuff" to her in the locker room, more than likely sexual innuendo.

People shouldn't be harassed or disrespected, but I can see how it's hard for some people to "respect" people doing their job when they're dressed like an idiot/skank/unprofessional/doesn't meet with norms of society - if they are seriously demanding for those things. She's a joke of a journalist from what I understand and she's making it harder for woman to be taking seriously in sports. If she doesn't want to get hit on by football players and be taken more seriously in a respectful manner, there's an obvious solution. Don't call attention to your body and don't dress casual like you're going out dancing or in flirty outfit.
 
I think the players should have access to the reporters locker rooms and we should get topless interviews with side line hotties.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, I agree with you, but people here are pointing at her part in this as a way of absolving the players from any responsibility to act respectfully.
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I don't think I've seen anyone absolve the players' of their behaviour. I know that I have stated several times that they were acting like pigs and being boorish.

I also wonder how bad the behavior was in the first place. I haven't read anything that really describes what the players did specifically so it's hard to say if they were really over the line or not. There are a lot of situations where it's okay to make a proposition to a woman if she welcomes it, but could get you fired if she doesn't. Only you can't usually tell until you actually act. The funniest part is if the woman is interested and wondering why you're being such a wuss about it and not approaching her. Well, funny to me because I'm married and don't hit on women in the workplace.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY

In any case, the ESPN writer has echoed my position exactly albeit more eloquently.
 
Ines Sainz, don't promote yourself as "the hottest sports reporter in Mexico" and then be surprised by the reaction...


That is all.
 
Marcus said:
A. You know that her employer is asking to dress as she does how? This is a huge assumption on your part.

B. I never said she is "asking for it" or that she is giving her consent to be sexually harassed. I did say that her clothing exacerbates the situation. Dressing more professionally may help defuse the situation and reduce the risk of being harassed. Look, she is dressing provoctively and entering a room full of half dressed men jacked up on testosterone and adrenaline having just vanquished their foe. Its akin to slathering lamb fat all over your body and walking into a lion den.

You guys arguing that her clothing has no bearing on how she is treated are living in a make-believe world. In a perfect world how she is treated should have no connection to what she wears and sexual harassment would never happen.



I would never wear leather underwear, let alone in public, so it is all good.

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And before you go all ape **** on me, it's a joke!
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Gee thanks. I can never UN-SEE that image. Trust me, I'm trying.
 
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