Is COVID killing people

[lauriandres]

Are there humans where everything is "correct" with the body? I'd guess not many.



You didn't mention any contagious things.

Does it matter in the grand scheme of things if something bad is contagious or not? My pure hunch, but i guess most of those who have some other serious condition, for example Down syndrome, Alzheimer, Parkinson, some body parts missing, some kind of other major disability etc etc might choose a COVID lottery ticket instead of the current problem?

Should i see that a person with a COVID infection is drowning or requires some other close up assistance for which i might capable of - is it wise to refuse the help because according to scientists COVID is dangerous? What happens if firefighter says the same "i am not going to put down the fire or going to rescue somebody from that building - i might get killed - you never know if there are ammonium nitrate or not stored"?

 

[One Brow]

Does it matter in the grand scheme of things if something bad is contagious or not? ...

I believe I made an assumption that you were making a particular point, and I was wrong to make that assumption. Is there a reason you are asking about comparative mortality, when you could just look it up?

 

[lauriandres]

I believe I made an assumption that you were making a particular point, and I was wrong to make that assumption. Is there a reason you are asking about comparative mortality, when you could just look it up?

How do you compare the mortality of COVID vs Down syndrome or COVID vs Alzheimer to make a decision which of those is worse? Does it make COVID more serious than Down syndrome or Alzheimer because it is highly contagious?

My grandmother had Alzheimer - i would say de facto she was dead about 2 years before the actual day she died; i guess (without any scientific proof) that she might have lived at least 2-5 more years; she did not had any other known bad conditions.

 

[One Brow]

How do you compare the mortality of COVID vs Down syndrome or COVID vs Alzheimer to make a decision which of those is worse? Does it make COVID more serious than Down syndrome or Alzheimer because it is highly contagious?

My grandmother had Alzheimer - i would say de facto she was dead about 2 years before the actual day she died; i guess (without any scientific proof) that she might have lived at least 2-5 more years; she did not had any other known bad conditions.

What is the reason for comparing these conditions?

 

[JazzGal]

When did illnesses become competitive?

 

[lauriandres]

When did illnesses become competitive?

Isn't that decided in a grand scheme of things i.e in real life by the market and voters? At least in my tiny country all the COVID deaths are published on the media on front pages and all not-so-popular (which do not bring ad revenue) are quickly buried somewhere.

I certainly have a personal ranking about diseases according to my parents' and my personal experience.

IMHO it is perfectly reasonable to respect COVID as you respect the enemy or opponent; however if it is OK to not approach COVID infected person (because according to scientists and doctors it is dangerous - and why should i not believe them) - why it is kind of forbidden if everybody else follows the same logic regarding dangerous stuff? What happens to the society if for example i refuse to help a drunk person sleeping outside in the snow to get back to his apartment because he might have COVID? Or again if demolition experts would say - we are not gonna defuse that WW2 era big bomb in the city centre, because it is dangerous?
Another example - if you need some kind of ASAP surgery and the only option is a surgeon who has COVID infection, but otherwise able to perform the procedure - would you refuse the procedure, because, well, COVID is dangerous and die instead? Or just some other urgent help from a COVID infected person?

 

[JazzGal]

I haven't seen anyone refusing to help others because of COVID. I work in law enforcement and the officers are taking what precautions they can while still doing their jobs.

We all make decisions every day as to what level of risk we find acceptable to us. So I find your questions impossible to answer as everyone would need to decide that for themselves. I'm at high risk to have complications from COVID-19, so my choices will differ from my healthy 25 year old relatives.

All of us are doing the best we can to figure out this strange new world, and no one is perfect at it. Mistakes are made, misunderstandings occur. I can't worry about everyone else's choices. I have decided on a path for me and do my best to follow it.

Sent from my moto z3 using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[LogGrad98]

When did illnesses become competitive?

December 2019

 

[Scat]

December 2019

August 29th, 1997

 

[infection]

August 29th, 1997

I waited for years for that day to come, wondering what it would be like, and did not forget it when it happened.

 

[infection]

From the CDC:
Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States: 183,392 - 245,305

And thus you have the answer to one question. The answer to some of the other questions/hypotheses would come over time to see if there's a corresponding dip in expected mortality over the course of the next year. However, I don't know if they would update the expected mortality levels to reflect and account for the excesses of people who died. One argument, however, is that the [potential] mortality dip could be obscured by excess deaths resulting secondary to societal effects of the virus.

 

[One Brow]

I waited for years for that day to come, wondering what it would be like, and did not forget it when it happened.

Why that date?