I liked Sloan a lot as the Jazz coach, but the fact is he quit on the Jazz mid-game, mid-season. He is a quitter, confirmed. Sorry that doesn't fit your worldview and you have to try to find a scapegoat for his actions.
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I liked Sloan a lot as the Jazz coach, but the fact is he quit on the Jazz mid-game, mid-season. He is a quitter, confirmed. Sorry that doesn't fit your worldview and you have to try to find a scapegoat for his actions.
********. He didn't quit. They made D-Will the head coach.
He quit. I can't believe how Sloan doesnt get any of the blame. He ****ing quit. One of the greatest coaches of all time, but he quit. The funny thing is that Jazzfanz probably shared the same frustrations D-Will had. Modernize the offense, don't play the same outdated defense from the 90's, why the **** do we have Al Jefferson, why did we let Matthews go, why did we let Korver go?
I love Sloan, but the guy needed to go and we needed a coach who could change with the new era.
"Karl Malone, who played under Sloan for more than a decade, indicated that Sloan did not feel supported by Kevin O'Conner and Greg Miller.[21]"
Again, they made D-Will the head coach.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Where is that picture of the dead horse with the South Park theme when you need it.
Also, people don't realize that WES MATTHEWS MADE THE SINGLE LARGEST CONTRACT IN NBA HISTORY FOR A SECOND YEAR PLAYER. EVER!!! We didn't match an albatross of a contract and we all regret it. But it was significantly larger than the next closest 2nd year salary. He was paid more than any #1 draft pick in his second year EVER!!! That's why we didn't match. I think it sucked... but it needs to be a major consideration coming from the 'why didn't we keep Matthews' converstationalists.
I'm not looking to have the conversation, but I'm just saying there was a reason D-Will was frustrated because the team took HUGE steps back. The writing was on the wall. The Jazz would have never contended for anything with Jefferson in the starting lineup and without legit wing players. I would have been pissed as **** too if I where D-Will.
I just dont think the narrative that D-Will ruined the Jazz is the right one. The FO ruined the Jazz and Sloan quit.
Let's not forget D-Will's ultra-pissy attitude leading up to the ouster of Sloan. He was sabotaging the team while Miller and O'Conner were afraid to put him in check. At that point Sloan's hands were tied, and Williams became the head coach.
I think nearly everyone agrees that if the Jazz front office hadn't sided with a player over their head coach Sloan would have stuck around till the end of the season. They forced him out.
I think nearly everyone agrees that if the Jazz front office hadn't sided with a player over their head coach Sloan would have stuck around till the end of the season. They forced him out.
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The Jazz Wonderbra
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2015-2016 NBA Draft Class
Pick 1st Year Salary 2nd Year Salary
1 $4,753,000 $4,966,800
2 $4,252,600 $4,444,000
Wes Matthews Salary - second season:
Front loaded $9.2 Million!!!
Dont let talent walk.
addictionary
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I'm a fan for life.
Williams will never be the player he was. Here's why:
In 2010 he covered up his "No Guts No Glory" tattoos. Ever since then he hasn't played with the same heart he used to.
Check out this interview from last night...
After missing a game with a sprained medial collateral ligament, Deron Williams was back in the starting lineup and finished with 11 points, eight assists and five rebounds in 31 minutes. He had just one turnover. He is not, however, full strength. "I'm always concerned when a knee is involved," he said. "Knees are scary. It's still not 100 percent. It's still a little sore. But they say that's common with MCL's so it's something I'm going to have to deal with for a little bit. It's not at risk of anything bigger, so that's good."
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/d...ers-what-deron-williams-did-in-his-return.ece
His first 5 years with the Jazz DWill played with heart. He never made excuses. "No guts no glory" was fitting of the way he played. Somewhere along the line he decided he needed to protect his body in order to make his career last longer. He lost an edge and hasn't been as good.
In 2010 he covered up his "No Guts No Glory" tattoos. Ever since then he hasn't played with the same heart he used to.
Check out this interview from last night...
After missing a game with a sprained medial collateral ligament, Deron Williams was back in the starting lineup and finished with 11 points, eight assists and five rebounds in 31 minutes. He had just one turnover. He is not, however, full strength. "I'm always concerned when a knee is involved," he said. "Knees are scary. It's still not 100 percent. It's still a little sore. But they say that's common with MCL's so it's something I'm going to have to deal with for a little bit. It's not at risk of anything bigger, so that's good."
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/d...ers-what-deron-williams-did-in-his-return.ece
His first 5 years with the Jazz DWill played with heart. He never made excuses. "No guts no glory" was fitting of the way he played. Somewhere along the line he decided he needed to protect his body in order to make his career last longer. He lost an edge and hasn't been as good.
That's easy to say, but the deal seemed ludicrous at the time to anyone that wasn't writing the check. Had they not dumped close to $30 million onto AK (who they refused to do anything serious about his bull ****/insane salary) and Memo (who they simply did not have to extend and simply should not have and that was obvious to at least me on the outset), maybe they match. Maybe they keep Boozer instead of go after Big Al (say what you want about his character, but he was twice the player Slow Al was).
AK and Memo are the reasons the Jazz HAD to re-tool suddenly. You're right, the organization created the foundation for all of the problems that followed.
He's ****ing mortal, dude. Sorry if that ruins your narrative of someone else's life.
Hotdog
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All of this.
A lot of people need to stop looking at Jazz stuff with blinders on.
Not everything the front office does is great. Sloan was not a perfect coach.
It wasnt even about Big Al sucking (which he did). It was just such a clear and obvious bad fit. Even if Al was really good, he would have never meshed with Sloan/Dwill's offense (even if those two were BFF's).
Hotdog
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They still should have matched Mathews. I think it was an easy decision. He was great for us. It wasnt that expensive. Using the idea that he would be paid too much for where he wasnt drafted and how soon was dumb logic. Nothing should have mattered except he was great at defense, was a team guy, could shoot great etc..
The biggest problem I had with it is, they were only one year away from AK coming off the books, and they went out and signed stupid *** Raja Bell for 3 mil a year. So for only 3 more per year they would have a had a lot younger and a lot better player. It was just bad business. They tried to save a few dollars, and it bit them in the ***.
I guess my post sounded like I was accusing him. I'm not. I completely understand why he did it. It's just sad because it changed the way he played.
Just look at Derrick Rose. He was amazing to watch because he played recklessly. In the end he paid the price for it. And if he if he doesn't change his game, he won't last very long. Hopefully he finds a happy balance because he is an incredible athlete, but I doubt he'll ever be MVP again.
You know, I used to defend Boozer because he was slow to come back from injuries. Jazz fans would tear me apart because of it (even though the first time Boozer rushed back from an injury he ended up getting injured again and had to sit out several months.) I'm all for athletes taking care of their bodies. Their bodies are worth tens of millions of dollars, they'd be fools not to do it. Memo played through an injury and blew out his achilles. The Jazz thanked him by trading him away as soon as he was healthy enough to play.
Anyway, my final point is DWill doesn't play with the same desperation/passion/fire that he used to. Additionally, he's a few years slower and recovering from a number of different injuries.
Can we blame it all on Greg Miller? I think the demise of the Jazz started with Miller. Let's review a couple of his moves... (I think my timeline is correct)
1. Matches Millsap but claims the Jazz can no longer televise on KJZZ in order to afford the Millsap contract.
2. Gives some weird speech where he threatens Jazz fans on opening night. Anyone else remember this? He said something like "Utah will continue to have a basketball team as long as the fans deserve it."
3. Trades Ronnie Brewer to avoid the cap.
4. Doesn't resign Matthews.
5. Doesn't resign Korver.
6. Doesn't resign Boozer (which makes sense, Chicago offered way to much $$$.)
7. Brings in Raja to replace Korver and Matthews...
That's all within the first year and a half, and things got worse after that.