Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

[Magic Spray]

Favors must be in the long-term plans.

The old adage "Two is one, one is none."

Meaning the Jazz better have total redundancy built in to their roster at every position until the injury history somehow changes.

 

[Aneurism]

Favors must be in the long-term plans.

The old adage "Two is one, one is none."

Meaning the Jazz better have total redundancy built in to their roster at every position until the injury history somehow changes.

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

As long as he's worth his salary, he'd be a huge asset that you could trade later if you really wanted to. But right now, his value is hard to place since he's expiring.

 

[Magic Spray]

As long as he's worth his salary, he'd be a huge asset that you could trade later if you really wanted to. But right now, his value is hard to place since he's expiring.

Plus he looks so happy this season. ****, let's see what this squad can do.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not sure we'd want to, but if we really want cap space next year (not sure there is anything we could really get) would you do Favs+Ricky for Monroe and Phoenix's second rounder in 2018?

Monroe plays backup center and is the offensive option... its definitely a downgrade but he will accept the role. We get off of Ricky's contract and collect a second rounder (phoenix has like 5-6 picks in next year's draft... likely need to consolidate).

They are under the cap so the money works... I think it would create a trade exception.

With Ricky off the books we can poke around the free agent market and if we find a taker we can renounce Exum's cap hold (could still sign him, just would need to use space).

 

[hgb]

If you asked me six games ago I would say we almost definitely make an in-season trade. I think there is a real chance we don't...

We could likely move Rubio, AB, or Favs for some minor assets, but unless Favs nets a first or a couple decent 2nds with expiring salary then I'd rather just roll forward with him. I think AB has legit turned a corner... he won't always be this hot, but his defense has improved and lost in this hot streak... AB has 10 assists in the last 5 games to only 2 turnovers. So he is passing and creating without the mental mistakes that plagued him.

Rubio is a maybe... I think he's great for the team culture and has helped Donovan quite a bit. I think he's useful, but that we could likely get away with playing Neto and DM at the 1. When Hood comes back Neto or AB loses time... I think they've earned time... I saw on another board a fan of the Suns would give Monroe (expiring) and a couple seconds for him... that would be tempting. Just a fan board though... who knows what real value he'd have.

There's absolutely no way we're going to make any moves that makes us clearly worse, like dumping key(ish) players for future picks. I'd be shocked if that happens.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The truth is at least for now, Udoh and Jerebko can be placeholders if Favors leaves.. (also we still have JJ for this year). And then there is Bradley although he doesn't seem ready for backup minutes just yet.

I can't see us affording Favors long term...as much as I'd like for him to stay.

Jerebko, Sefolosha and Udoh have contracts we can opt out of next year. JJ is expiring this year.

I would rather keep the best players and the younger players. We can make room for Favor's if we want him and he wants to stay. You can move good players later as well.

Unless Jazz make a good trade for Favor's they should try and keep him. You shouldn't let good talent walk or be traded for pennies on the dollar because of salary cap reasons.

 

[NUMBERICA]

There's absolutely no way we're going to make any moves that makes us clearly worse, like dumping key(ish) players for future picks. I'd be shocked if that happens.

Did you just say Rubio is a key player? Cuz he can't share the floor with the team's two best bigs simultaneously and is less effective at generating team offense than Mitchell.

In other words, Rubio isn't a key player and he's exorbitantly overpaid for what he contributes (a net-negative asset on this roster).

 

[NUMBERICA]

Not sure we'd want to, but if we really want cap space next year (not sure there is anything we could really get) would you do Favs+Ricky for Monroe and Phoenix's second rounder in 2018?

Monroe plays backup center and is the offensive option... its definitely a downgrade but he will accept the role. We get off of Ricky's contract and collect a second rounder (phoenix has like 5-6 picks in next year's draft... likely need to consolidate).

They are under the cap so the money works... I think it would create a trade exception.

With Ricky off the books we can poke around the free agent market and if we find a taker we can renounce Exum's cap hold (could still sign him, just would need to use space).

That might be fine if the Jazz needed a 4 or 5. But I wouldn't play Monroe over really any of the Jazz's bigs right now. Furthermore, unless the Jazz know who they're targeting and they can get sufficient cap space to pursue them, I don't really see the point. And 2018 is garbage for free agency and this team IIRC.

I'm more interested in being in a position to throw the max at Porzingis in 2019 (RFA, which they will match [but the heat would be on]) and 2020 (if he takes the QO which his camp has already explicitly stated is something they would consider). 2019 expirings become important in that scenario, and Rubio would still be a decent piece to keep around, even if overpriced. There's a chance he settles in and becomes a net-positive asset as well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jerebko, Sefolosha and Udoh have contracts we can opt out of next year. JJ is expiring this year.

I would rather keep the best players and the younger players. We can make room for Favor's if we want him and he wants to stay. You can move good players later as well.

Unless Jazz make a good trade for Favor's they should try and keep him. You shouldn't let good talent walk or be traded for pennies on the dollar because of salary cap reasons.

It would be about cap space which might allow us to acquire talent, but more so about roles and priorities... I'd like to keep Neto and think he can be a bargain again next year, Jonas should be starting and we should move full tilt into what our offense should be, picks turn into players and are a low cost lotto ticket... we need more lotto tickets.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That might be fine if the Jazz needed a 4 or 5. But I wouldn't play Monroe over really any of the Jazz's bigs right now. Furthermore, unless the Jazz know who they're targeting and they can get sufficient cap space to pursue them, I don't really see the point. And 2018 is garbage for free agency and this team IIRC.

I'm more interested in being in a position to throw the max at Porzingis in 2019 (RFA, which they will match [but the heat would be on]) and 2020 (if he takes the QO which his camp has already explicitly stated is something they would consider). 2019 expirings become important in that scenario, and Rubio would still be a decent piece to keep around, even if overpriced. There's a chance he settles in and becomes a net-positive asset as well.

I agree... there are very few gettable FAs that I like. I do think Ricky is still a difficult fit and his time needs to be marginalized. Neto has looked fantastic too (he looks a lot faster this year) and his shot is consistent. He's not the defender Ricky is at all, but he isn't miserable on that end.

Opening up space isn't a priority then, but I might try and see if we could move Ricky for a better fitting part and maybe a pick (or pick swap) or something of that ilk... just so we don't have someone we have to manage and keep happy even though the team might be better served playing other guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There is going to be a playing time issue when Hood gets back. Joe Jesus will want minutes when he gets back.

Royce can likely fall out of the rotation and be okay with it, but I'd like to get a better idea of what we have there. Don't have to move Ricky and Favs though.