Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

[Ron Mexico]

It would be about cap space which might allow us to acquire talent, but more so about roles and priorities... I'd like to keep Neto and think he can be a bargain again next year, Jonas should be starting and we should move full tilt into what our offense should be, picks turn into players and are a low cost lotto ticket... we need more lotto tickets.

I disagree. I dont want to trade good players for crap shoot picks in the draft. I would rather keep the talent. Besides future picks are unlikely to fit in with our timeline anyways.

Besides no matter what we do we wont create enough cap space to sign a good player. What we can do is keep our good players. I would prioritize our best players first. Favors is better than Neto or Jonas. But we dont have to pick between them. We can try and keep both, if we are forced to pick for some reason than I would pick Favors over those players though. The best players help you win.

We can keep our entire roster next year and be fine. Chances are we make some changes but I would rather keep this group in tact and see what they can do.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree. I dont want to trade good players for crap shoot picks in the draft. I would rather keep the talent. Besides future picks are unlikely to fit in with our timeline anyways.

Besides no matter what we do we wont create enough cap space to sign a good player. What we can do is keep our good players. I would prioritize our best players first. Favors is better than Neto or Jonas. But we dont have to pick between them. We can try and keep both, if we are forced to pick for some reason than I would pick Favors over those players though. The best players help you win.

We can keep our entire roster next year and be fine. Chances are we make some changes but I would rather keep this group in tact and see what they can do.

Our three best players (or 3/4 if you think Favs is better than Hood) came from "crap shoot" draft picks. Pick the right guy and they can be a major contributor in a year or two. I don't think Favs will want to be platooned long term... not about money... its about role.

We also can create enough cap space to sign a good player by simply getting off of Ricky's salary.

Good players help you win, but more and more we are seeing in the NBA that fit is important. It's part of the big reason GSW are so friggin good. The wolves have a lot of individual talent and so does OKC but the fit isn't ideal and players aren't buying into the roles that lead to the most team success.

We also can't keep our entire roster... we have incoming picks that will need spots. I like all these guys, but eventually some of the parts will be switched out. Build around DM and Rudy... find ideal pieces to fit those guys. Find value wherever you can and maybe we can get lucky again.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Our three best players (or 3/4 if you think Favs is better than Hood) came from "crap shoot" draft picks. Pick the right guy and they can be a major contributor in a year or two. I don't think Favs will want to be platooned long term... not about money... its about role.

We also can create enough cap space to sign a good player by simply getting off of Ricky's salary.

Good players help you win, but more and more we are seeing in the NBA that fit is important. It's part of the big reason GSW are so friggin good. The wolves have a lot of individual talent and so does OKC but the fit isn't ideal and players aren't buying into the roles that lead to the most team success.

We also can't keep our entire roster... we have incoming picks that will need spots. I like all these guys, but eventually some of the parts will be switched out. Build around DM and Rudy... find ideal pieces to fit those guys. Find value wherever you can and maybe we can get lucky again.

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.

Ignore the cap space aspect... btw moving Ricky and not re-signing Favs allows us to get to max cap space easily by managing Exum's cap hold. I honestly don't think there is anyone worth creating space for... so just ignore that.

I do think we should look to acquire more picks... I was happy you mentioned our success on mid level picks... we don't need to acquire lotto picks, but give ourselves more chances to acquire great talent.

Fit 100% matters... Favs and Gobert don't work long term... The run we are on should show that we can use less talented players that space the floor and get a huge improvement.

Managing the Favs, Gobert, Ricky balance is going to be tough... I doubt we bring all three back next year. Time will tell, but I'd be willing to bet Favs isn't willing to come back next year unless he is starting and playing starter minutes. Those three overlapped like 6 total minutes last night and it was clear Quin wanted it out ASAP.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Do keep in mind, it's not up to the Jazz whether Favors stays.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Do keep in mind, it's not up to the Jazz whether Favors stays.

Hey Favs... will you stay here... where you may not always finish games... aren’t used in a way that maximizes what you can bring and are viewed as more of a super sub/backup plan? Also, we’d like to get you on a team favorable deal if possible.

 

[tleikheen]

Hey Favs... will you stay here... where you may not always finish games... aren’t used in a way that maximizes what you can bring and are viewed as more of a super sub/backup plan? Also, we’d like to get you on a team favorable deal if possible.

Sad but true ,we want Favors prime years at a team discount and as a insurance backup for Gobert.

 

[LoPo]

I broke this down already, but something like 22 of the 30 worst NBA contracts belong to guys who play PF or C. Most of the time, the team who signed the contract felt like they really needed that size. Well, Favors is due one of those regretable contracts.

If you consider his time in the league and injury history, he simply has to make the most of this contract this summer. In all reality, the team who signs him will regret the contract by the time he enters the last year.

I don't want that team to be us.

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[str8line]

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.

Haywad helped us win his rookie year. He was already good on both ends and had 34 and 32 pt. games. Favors and Hood are just as risky as high picks, with their propensity for injury, but with picks you free up money also.

 

[NAOS]

I just don't think we're likely to get more value for Favors than his very own expiring contract + the talent he adds to our roster for this year. I'm not interested in a couple of weak 2nd-round picks -- I'd rather he help push us back into the playoffs as a 4th-6th seed + help us pull a first-round upset.

But if a first-round pick came calling without any salary burden beyond this season.... I'd pull the trigger.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I agree... there are very few gettable FAs that I like. I do think Ricky is still a difficult fit and his time needs to be marginalized. Neto has looked fantastic too (he looks a lot faster this year) and his shot is consistent. He's not the defender Ricky is at all, but he isn't miserable on that end.

Opening up space isn't a priority then, but I might try and see if we could move Ricky for a better fitting part and maybe a pick (or pick swap) or something of that ilk... just so we don't have someone we have to manage and keep happy even though the team might be better served playing other guys.

Totally agree to that extent. But if he's managed correctly, I think he could be fine placeholder cap and change-of-pace ballhandler. He really needs to come off the bench right now, regardless. The ball is Mitchell's.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

You are just wrong about that. Flat out wrong.