Burks was filling that role for a while. It doesn't have to be Hayward. Hood and Lyles are also future possibilities.
Is Gordon Hayward overrated?
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Burks was filling that role for a while. It doesn't have to be Hayward. Hood and Lyles are also future possibilities.
He's close to being the player that can lead us deep into the playoffs, but he's not the guy. He might still get better though. I disagree with some here in that I think Hayward does have a killer instinct and gives 100%, but he just falls short a little on talent/athleticism. Favors, on the other hand has all of the talent/athleticism but falls short on effort, especially in crunch time. He definitely lacks that killer instinct. Rudy is the guy that has the killer instinct but will he ever reach his potential? The more I see him play I think Lyles might be the key to our next five years. He looks like he could become a all-star.
Game6Conley
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Don't you see how thats just viable for the regular season though?? IMO that almost seems like leading the sheep to the slaughterhouse..
They're gonna wait all these years to bake cakes to then realize that you can't outduel the likes of Klay/Curry, Harden, Kahwi/Aldridge, Paul/Griffin, Durant/Westbrook with players making roleplayer $$ and on rookie deals?? (While paying Hayward like he's Derek Jeter)
I sincerely believe this FO can't possibly be that type of stupid...
Hayward left a trail of evidence that he wasn't ready for the big-time in the last 10 games of the season, I figured that would happen in the playoffs, the last game vs Dallas was more than enough to draw a conclusion on though.. The end of regulation vs GS was bad too.
NAOS
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I wish I had the energy to say this a thousand more times than I've already said it: Hayward can't be our best perimeter offensive and defensive player. He needs help in both those areas. He isn't a guy who can stop the biggest threat on D, then get you what you need on O. I think the offense can be fine with Hayward, Hood, one other player at their level of getting buckets; but we need a perimeter stopper not named Hayward.
stormkoopacv03
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C'mon guys, Gordie's a very good player. Let's all give him another year and see what happens then. I'm willing to stick with him another year or so. Group huuug~
I think GH is slightly overrated.
Begrudgingly, I'll admit he might be our best player right now (him of Favors, whom I adore). He'll probably always be a "max" player by the idiocy of NBA free agency. But he'll never be the #1 guy on a championship contender, not even close. And I think he's peaking as a player.
I'm also slightly biased against him because he just sort of rubs me the wrong way. Between his website/blog that he always promotes on twitter and that damn hair cut, he seems a little too into himself for my liking. He's certainly not alone in that, all of the other stars sell out to cash in while they can. I just don't think that GH is in the same tier as those guys, nor will he ever be. Popovich has a quote once that he likes the Spurs to draft players who have "gotten over themselves," a la Kawhi Leonard. I loved that. He and I are soulmates, Pop - he just doesn't know it yet.
Bottom line - GH is a very good player, probably a little overrated IMO, and should not be untouchable if we have the opportunity to acquire a real franchise player in the draft or via trade.
Begrudgingly, I'll admit he might be our best player right now (him of Favors, whom I adore). He'll probably always be a "max" player by the idiocy of NBA free agency. But he'll never be the #1 guy on a championship contender, not even close. And I think he's peaking as a player.
I'm also slightly biased against him because he just sort of rubs me the wrong way. Between his website/blog that he always promotes on twitter and that damn hair cut, he seems a little too into himself for my liking. He's certainly not alone in that, all of the other stars sell out to cash in while they can. I just don't think that GH is in the same tier as those guys, nor will he ever be. Popovich has a quote once that he likes the Spurs to draft players who have "gotten over themselves," a la Kawhi Leonard. I loved that. He and I are soulmates, Pop - he just doesn't know it yet.
Bottom line - GH is a very good player, probably a little overrated IMO, and should not be untouchable if we have the opportunity to acquire a real franchise player in the draft or via trade.
Game6Conley
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I can find countless people around here who think it'd be prudent to pay him like a #1 though... thats the discrepancy i'm posting about..
Jamezz
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King Cy comes to mind, he rides his pony like no other.
Its Cy. Nuff said.
Because other teams will pay him what he is getting here. That's my point. That, good or bad, is his worth in this league. I won't fault the Jazz for that.
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I disagree with the generality that because other teams will pay a player something means that we should as well.
Should we have kept kanter and matched the offer that portland gave him like okc did? Just because portland and okc (and probably many other teams) would pay kanter what he is currently making does not mean we should.
Same thing applies with hayward imo. Just because some other teams would give him 5 years 150 million does not necessarily mean we should too.
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**** off. Do you add anything to the forum? Srs why you here? All you do is tell people how dumb there opinion is. Go shove more onions up your *** you uppity prick.
I wish Jesus would come back so I could nail him back to the cross
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LifeOnaPlate
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That escalated quickly. Sorry for bothering you, Boris. I personally don't blame Hayward. He's a solid player, flawed like they all are, but our problems were bigger than him this season.
Missed games are too small of a sample to be meaningful statistically. Look at the teams offensive rating when he was on/off the court. Quinn tried hard to minimize the damage when he was off the court in many ways but the offense often stalled regardless.
MoTappin
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He's a very good player, but I do think he has peaked. If we are waiting for him to have some kind of breakthrough I don't think we're being realistic. At this point, he is what he is. He's arguably the best we have, but I agree with what others have said - he's not the #1 guy on a contending team.
What we need is a superstar AND Gordon Hayward (plus for our PG issues to work out; hopefully Exum, and a few more solid bench guys). Sadly we will probably have to draft a superstar if we are going to get one.
What we need is a superstar AND Gordon Hayward (plus for our PG issues to work out; hopefully Exum, and a few more solid bench guys). Sadly we will probably have to draft a superstar if we are going to get one.