Is Joe Johnson off the Jazz Tradable Assets List?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, let's repeat the mistake the of not trading Millsap/Jefferon when we could cuz of vet leadership!

Rudy is our vet. Ingles is our vet. Hood is our vet. Favors is our vet. Sefolosha/Udoh/Jerebko/Rubio are vets.

We have vets besides Joe Johnson. It's not like our team is a bunch of young idiots who are lost without Joe Johnson. The reports about him are that he barely talks and he is just a "lead by example" kind of person, but the Jazz have hard workers on the team besides Johnson. What ever he has to teach, I'm sure our vets have absorbed it and can pass it down.

Completely different scenarios... go ahead and trade JJ to a non-contender and remember he chose us... Al and Millman did not. Everyone also ignores that we never got an offer to get a 1st rounder for either or both of them... because if we had we would have done it. Getting a second for one of those guys would not have mattered.

So JJ chooses us and we trade him... again which contender is giving us something for him? what are they giving? Taking a second from one of those teams is pointless as it would be the end of the second round. None will trade a first because the ones that would make a short sighted move like that likely already traded their first and don't have one.

So which non-contender is giving us something better and are we really willing to risk good will with JJ and one of the FA that actually picked us?

The concept of trading JJ for a second is dumb. It is more likely that JJ has more impact on winning in his second half of next season than the second rounder will have in his whole career.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We are talking about landing a 2nd rounder here, right?

Cy won't answer directly but yes a second rounder... and likely not a very good one unless there is a contender that holds some seconds from a ****ty team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It is more likely that we buy JJ out (or he waves his remaining salary) to go chase a ring, than it is that we trade him for the "best package possible".

He is not off limits in a bigger trade and if someone offered a first then sure we trade him. I highly doubt the latter scenario happens unless someone gets desperate.

 

[framer]

Go ahead and name the contenders that could send us a decent second round pick and have enough capspace to absorb Joe Jesus. I'm not interested in absorbing 10 million in trash contracts for the 56th pick in the draft. I'll keep Joe, thanks!

 

[colton]

So we want to make the playoffs on the back of Joe Johnson?

If trading Joe Johnson is the difference between us making or missing the playoffs, we are better off without him and learning how to win without him.

He's probably not the difference between making and missing the playoffs. But he could be the difference between winning or losing a first round series (like he was this year).

 

[fishonjazz]

Keep teh jesus

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Go ahead and name the contenders that could send us a decent second round pick and have enough capspace to absorb Joe Jesus. I'm not interested in absorbing 10 million in trash contracts for the 56th pick in the draft. I'll keep Joe, thanks!

The hoards of second rounders we collected a couple years ago has turned into NWG, Bolomboy, some cash, and us moving up two spots to draft our backup center of the future.

The contenders really don't have expiring contracts to line up with JJs salary. I'm sad I actually posted a bunch in this thread.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Go ahead and name the contenders that could send us a decent second round pick and have enough capspace to absorb Joe Jesus. I'm not interested in absorbing 10 million in trash contracts for the 56th pick in the draft. I'll keep Joe, thanks!

Didnt know we had to make the trade now

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We don't know what the trade market will look like at the deadline. We don't know what team will have what picks.

Timofey Mozgov was once traded at the deadline for 2 first round picks.

Jazz just got to trade him at w/e point he has his highest value. Keeping him past the deadline would be a mistake.

 

[Elizah Huge]

 

[slc]

Joe Johnson is a HOF player that still can play decent enough that signed with Jazz and wants to be here
Some have moaned that nobody wants to come to Utah
What kind of message does it send other players if Jazz trade him without his consent

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We don't know what the trade market will look like at the deadline. We don't know what team will have what picks.

Timofey Mozgov was once traded at the deadline for 2 first round picks.

Jazz just got to trade him at w/e point he has his highest value. Keeping him past the deadline would be a mistake.

Mozgov was an Up and comer with an extra year on his contract and Cleveland overpaid in part because they thought they would retain him.

I think we can reasonably predict we would not get more than a second round pick for him. A first is not 100% out of the realm of possibility but it would be far fetched imo. Anything less than a first and it would be dumb to trade him unless we are in full tank mode because of an awful injury.