What's new
By:

Is Obama a Natural Born US Citizen?

Is Obama A Natural Born US Citizen?

  • No, I'm a crazy *** birther

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Yes, I'm a blind follower

    Votes: 8 33.3%

  • Maybe, but he's hiding something.

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Who gives a rat's ***

    Votes: 5 20.8%

  • Whatever Kicky says

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
Marcus said:
I thought that was the whole reason that the term "natural born" is even in the Constitution. So as to prevent anyone that may have dual allegiances or strong allegiances to foreign countries that may interfere with their ability to lead the US. The term "natural born" is used to mean a singular allegiance to one and only one nation. Dual citizenship contradicts this.
Click to expand...

I may be wrong, but I don't think you know very much about how dual citizenship works. You're presenting the situation as if Obama had actively gone out and sought Kenyan citizenship when he was 21, or something along those lines. That's nowhere near the case.

But even if that were the case, you would still be wrong. I'm pretty sure (and a quick internet search verifies) that the phrase "natural born citizen" now simply means someone who is born a citizen of the U.S. There are possible interpretations whereby it might mean something slightly differently than that, but if a case went before the Supreme Court that is almost certainly how they would rule (in my humble opinion).
 
Sirkickyass said:
What is the basis for this interpretation? Is it your own ***?
Click to expand...

For what it's worth, I've won a couple of "best ***" competitions. I've been told it is well formed and fills my jeans just right.

How does your interpretation interact with the first seven Presidents (Washington through Jackson), all of whom were born in a British colony as British citizens? Is it your contention that the founding fathers all meant to prevent themselves from being Presidents?
Click to expand...

You're smarter than this. Obviously the first few presidents were not natural born US citizens. Hence the reason that they tried to minimize foreign allegiances by making a requirement that you must have lived in the US for 14 years prior to running for office.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Click to expand...

14 years seems such an arbitrary number. I'm trying to determine the significance... oh, wait. Might it have something to do with the time frame between the Declaration (1776) & Articles of Confederation (1776-77) and the Constitution (1789)?

The wording of the Constitution allowed those present at the formation of the US to be eligible for the presidency but as time wore on would be replaced by only those that were "natural born" citizens.
 
Marcus said:
You're smarter than this. Obviously the first few presidents were not natural born US citizens. Hence the reason that they tried to minimize foreign allegiances by making a requirement that you must have lived in the US for 14 years prior to running for office.

14 years seems such an arbitrary number. I'm trying to determine the significance... oh, wait. Might it have something to do with the time frame between the Declaration (1776) & Articles of Confederation (1776-77) and the Constitution (1789)?

The wording of the Constitution allowed those present at the formation of the US to be eligible for the presidency but as time wore on would be replaced by only those that were "natural born" citizens.
Click to expand...

Of course during this period of time the US didn't recognize dual citizenship at all. Even today the country doesn't formally recognize that anyone is a dual citizen of both the United States and another country.


See: https://immigration.findlaw.com/imm...igration-citizenship-naturalization-dual.html

However, your argument regarding Obama's ineligibility relates not to how the United States would recognize Obama's citizenship, but how another country would view his citizenship. In this specific instance, the argument is that because Britain, and then Kenya, claimed him as a citizen then he would be ineligible for President of the United States.

That same argument would disqualify the first seven Presidents because the UK would still have counted them as citizens under the "once an Englishman, always an Englishman" doctrine that was official UK policy until 1870. And your argument is apparently that "citizen" means exclusive citizen. And you've thus far advanced no argument that an part of "natural born" means "exclusively American citizen", rather than "citizen by birth."

The Ivory Coast hypothetical was designed to show the absurdity of this position. You didn't engage it or answer it at all.

Another question: Do you believe Lisa Murkowski (current Senator from Alaska) is a natural born citizen within the meaning of the Constitution?

BTW: I can't wait for our first clone president who will constantly be beset by allegations that even though he was cloned in the United States his birth was not "natural."
 
Keep in mind, we have a liberal media. Liberal media liberal media liberal media. It's a liberal media that's allowed this to be an issue 3 ****ing years after the first time Obama showed his birth certificate, and I guarantee will allow it to be an issue after the second time he's done it. It's a liberal media that allowed this to become an issue at all, rather than recognizing it as the crazed rantings of hucksters and con men taking advantage of the most gullible people on the planet, conservative Americans.

Liberal. Media.
 
DeliveryBoy said:
Keep in mind, we have a liberal media. Liberal media liberal media liberal media. It's a liberal media that's allowed this to be an issue 3 ****ing years after the first time Obama showed his birth certificate, and I guarantee will allow it to be an issue after the second time he's done it. It's a liberal media that allowed this to become an issue at all, rather than recognizing it as the crazed rantings of hucksters and con men taking advantage of the most gullible people on the planet, conservative Americans.

Liberal. Media.
Click to expand...
I think we have a liberal media because the truth has a liberal bias.

Just sayin...

Oh, and the jews... I forgot about the jews.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
[video]https://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-27-2011/believe-it-or-believe-it---obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate?xrs=share_copy
Click to expand...

I think I speak for everybody when I say stop with the daily show links already. No one wants to watch average to long videos just to have a discussion with someone that's barely literate.
 
Sirkickyass said:
The "moonbat theory" related to LG's assertions about what normatively should be the qualifications for presidential allegiance to the country. He's refused to engage in any real discussion of the edges of that theory and its implications for specific individuals or in any real discussion about the existence of a universal experience for individuals from a particularly country that makes them "tick" in unison.
Click to expand...

Fine, but only because I've been bored with this birth certificate thing for over a year anyway. I literally watch my computer for 16 hours a day, constantly clicking the reset button, waiting earnestly for the birth cert "Mission Accomplished" banner to fly so we can all move on with our lives. My biggest regret is it didn't come prior to Donald Trump flapping his gums.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top