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Is Russia Helping Trump?
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I'm working on a project aimed to help the homeless, intellectually-speaking, wandering, hopeless, political operatives who have lost their teats on Mama guvmint's milk kwagon.
DutchJazzer
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that wont help if the russians relaly hacked. hacking will always happen
funny thing is wasn't it the paranoid republicans who wanted to curb election fraud.
by requiring photo-id, and prefering paper ballots! but they where called racist and technophobes!
hahahaha
ALL ELECTIONS should require photo id with nationality and paper ballots! and no its not racist and technophobic! whatever the hell racist means these days.
because i see it as a compliment lately to be called racist or deplorable
but then the democrats cant use there lazy excuse
DutchJazzer
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does michelle obama knows she gets to keep secret service protection the rest of her live? o even if she goes back to chicago she is safe no matter how strict gun laws get.
elitist socialist woman(trust me what i was gonna say is far worse, but the "ministry of speech" is watching me)
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Easy.
Try even harder to prevent it from happening and try to make there be some consequences.
Maybe try to figure out the reasoning behind the hacking and what they are trying to get out of it and stop them from getting what they want.
Definitely investigate it as much as possible and gather as much info as possible.
What we shouldn't do about it is act like they have done us a favor, or look the other way and just sweep it under the rug and don't talk about it. We should take it very seriously.
This.
Obviously.
You are talking to people who are fine with multinational corporations who hide money overseas influencing USA politics, fine with HC taking $13 million from a foreign government for one speech, bias deniers, okay with Hillary constantly doing things that would get any US veteran thrown in prison for life.
You are talking to people who are fine with multinational corporations who hide money overseas influencing USA politics, fine with HC taking $13 million from a foreign government for one speech, bias deniers, okay with Hillary constantly doing things that would get any US veteran thrown in prison for life.
Red
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The only suggestion for payback that I keep coming across was first suggested by a columnist for Bloomberg, and involves outing the sources of Putin's vast wealth:
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...should-out-putin-s-wealth-after-election-hack
Finding something that would actually make Putin think twice may be a losing proposition...
"In October, retired Admiral James Stavridis told NBC News: "It's well known that there's a great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs. … It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen."
For normal countries, this kind of information on a national leader would be political poison. But for Putin it won't be. When the Panama Papers were released this year, implicating Russian oligarchs in shielding their wealth in offshore accounts, there was little interest inside Russia. Most Russians expect their leaders to be corrupt.
The effect of a disclosure by the Obama administration though would be apparent in the West. Putin may not care whether his citizens know how corrupt he is. But I bet his Western bankers and business partners do. Fiona Hill, a senior fellow and Russia expert at the Brookings Institution, told me Monday: "The one thing about revealing this information is that it would stigmatize his wealth. This is shining a spotlight on him and his allies.""
Red
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The least we can do is up our game a bit:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wage-hybrid-war-kremlin-222813395.html
"It’s easy enough to decry Russian interference, but it’s hard to know what to do about it. As a first step, it is imperative to document and expose Kremlin machinations, which is why it’s important to probe the hacking of the U.S. election. Congressional investigations, as called for by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, would be one possible approach, but the failed Benghazi committee shows the dangers of congressional grandstanding and partisanship. A better approach, because it would be more serious and nonpartisan, would be an independent commission modeled on the one that probed 9/11; it could be headed by former CIA Directors Michael Hayden and Leon Panetta.
But public exposure alone is not enough to make Putin cease and desist; indeed, documenting Russia’s schemes could actually enhance his aura of power by showing how cleverly he manipulates his adversaries. President Barack Obama has been shamefully derelict in making Putin pay a price for his aggression. Although his administration has threatened retaliation against Russia, he has not, insofar as we know, delivered. “We’d have all these circular meetings,” one senior State Department official told the New York Times, “in which everyone agreed you had to push back at the Russians and push back hard. But it didn’t happen.” Among reasons for inaction, the Times cites the president’s “fear of escalating a cyberwar, and concern that the United States needed Russia’s cooperation in negotiations over Syria.” (As if Russia had any intention of cooperating with the United States in Syria!) His failure to more actively oppose Russian efforts during the campaign may have cost Hillary Clinton the election. It’s hard to imagine Donald Trump, the beneficiary of Russia’s cyberattacks, doing much about it, but Obama still has a few weeks in office to act.
Possible responses can run the gamut from further sanctions — including financial and travel freezes on individuals responsible for the hacking — to retaliation in kind. Putin likes leaking Western emails. How would he like it if the National Security Agency leaked the communications between him and his cronies? Or if the U.S. intelligence community released details about his widely rumored overseas bank accounts? This could undermine his hold on power by puncturing his aura of self-righteousness and could even lead to asset freezes that would punish him in the pocketbook."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/wage-hybrid-war-kremlin-222813395.html
"It’s easy enough to decry Russian interference, but it’s hard to know what to do about it. As a first step, it is imperative to document and expose Kremlin machinations, which is why it’s important to probe the hacking of the U.S. election. Congressional investigations, as called for by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan, would be one possible approach, but the failed Benghazi committee shows the dangers of congressional grandstanding and partisanship. A better approach, because it would be more serious and nonpartisan, would be an independent commission modeled on the one that probed 9/11; it could be headed by former CIA Directors Michael Hayden and Leon Panetta.
But public exposure alone is not enough to make Putin cease and desist; indeed, documenting Russia’s schemes could actually enhance his aura of power by showing how cleverly he manipulates his adversaries. President Barack Obama has been shamefully derelict in making Putin pay a price for his aggression. Although his administration has threatened retaliation against Russia, he has not, insofar as we know, delivered. “We’d have all these circular meetings,” one senior State Department official told the New York Times, “in which everyone agreed you had to push back at the Russians and push back hard. But it didn’t happen.” Among reasons for inaction, the Times cites the president’s “fear of escalating a cyberwar, and concern that the United States needed Russia’s cooperation in negotiations over Syria.” (As if Russia had any intention of cooperating with the United States in Syria!) His failure to more actively oppose Russian efforts during the campaign may have cost Hillary Clinton the election. It’s hard to imagine Donald Trump, the beneficiary of Russia’s cyberattacks, doing much about it, but Obama still has a few weeks in office to act.
Possible responses can run the gamut from further sanctions — including financial and travel freezes on individuals responsible for the hacking — to retaliation in kind. Putin likes leaking Western emails. How would he like it if the National Security Agency leaked the communications between him and his cronies? Or if the U.S. intelligence community released details about his widely rumored overseas bank accounts? This could undermine his hold on power by puncturing his aura of self-righteousness and could even lead to asset freezes that would punish him in the pocketbook."
Joe Bagadonuts
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Wow, there is such a divide in communication. I clearly misinterpret some of the things your trying to say in your posts. You definitely misinterpret mine. If you think I said what you claim I said above then we're not even close to hearing one another.
That said, your first sentence seems like a pretty good answer. Can you describe what offensive cyber action is?
Red
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[MENTION=2298]Computer[/MENTION], although I suggested that the hypocracy you pointed out was broader then the subject matter at hand, what the hey, it's not irrelevant, so here's one for your point of view:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/...22E1F0D99647087FC92&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/...22E1F0D99647087FC92&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion
Joe Bagadonuts
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I agree with the first part of what you say. As for doing us a favor, there are clearly vastly differing opinions on Hillary. To those of us who see her as an icon of political corruption and elitism I guess you could say we see exposing who she really is and how her political machine is run as a favor. I also think that the person who exposed the offensive tapes of Trump talking about women did us a favor. I hope that both Clinton and Trump improve their behavior as a result of being exposed. I won't be shocked if they focus instead on improving their security to prevent their behavior from being exposed.
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Good post. I don't disagree with any of it.
For me trump, dnc, emails, ballots, and russia are just variables inside the issue/problem.
It could be china exposing George Bush for sleeping with a 12 year old during the last election and messing with the voters back then. (That's just a made up hypothetical for a random example with different variables)
It makes no difference to me. Other countries messing with our elections for their own reasons will always concern me and anytime it happens I think we should be upset about it and our authorities should investigate it and try to do something about it.