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Is the projected core FATALLY FLAWED?

Thee jazz fan said:
I'm a calculated gambling man and faith is my best asset, And when Exum rises, maybe then u will too. I just see a tone of JKidd and Prime Harris in Exum. Call me crazy, but I think this injury will be a blessing in disguise concerning his leadership and mental makeup potential.

He's going to be a bad assssssssssssss!!!!!
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Cool. U can say ***
 
I don't think we are fatally flawed, but I do worry about the make up of our team. Last year when our defense was legit we could see our offense benefit, but this year our defense isn't as elite as it was last year(which isnt a surprise with our injuries and teams scouting us closer) and our offense has fallen way flat.
We need a go to scorer if we wanna compete in the playoffs. Hood is developing really nice, but I don't see him being that elite scorer that we need to compete.
We really need help with our PG play, and I'm hoping that Exum comes back healthy and ready to ball
 
Revolution 9 said:
The biggest flaw is that Hayward is the number 1 option, and it requires all 5 players in the core to be healthy.

Exum - Hood - Hayward - Favors - Gobert is a good line up. Enough to compete 4-5 in the west.
The problem is they cant lose anyone, and still maintain. Since we don't have a star on the team,
we rely on the sum of the parts.

One flat tire, and the car doesn't drive so pretty.
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Good analogy. We have a five wheeled car, and we need all of them to have a prayer of getting where we're trying to go. Meanwhile, Curry is popping wheelies down the highway at 90 MPH... and it's pretty!
 
I'm pretty sure everyone should just chill... 3 or 4 years ago you would not have thought gsw were a contender either. Players develop and things change. What if lyles is our draymond green (not similar players per se but what if he has a similar impact) curry was not a star back then. We have sustained a ton of injuries... We are very young... We have huge holes that could have been filled with better veteran players but we punted in the name of flexibility, continuity, and development. I've been critical of DL doing that but those are decisions that should have long term payoffs.

Also we have more assets than the dwill Jazz team had. We had no financial flexibility and AKs fragile body and psyche really detailed that team. Even so... That team might wreck today's NBA with how it was constructed had we had a more modern thinking coach. Korver, okur for spacing and the PnR machine of dwill and booze. Millman was great and had we had as many draft assets and some cap space as we do now we could have moved some parts around.

Lyles, Exum, Gobert and Hood all have pretty big leaps they can take. Favs and Hayward are not finished products. Jury is out on burks but he's still an asset. 5 first round picks (potentially in the next three years). It may be 3 or 4 years before this thing is what it will be but I'm not sure now is the time to make short sighted trades to win now. Gsw are too good and are in their prime. In a few years they may not have Bogut, AI, and Barnes could bail. Currys contract will expand and take some of their flexibility away.

I know it sucks but we need patience.
 
A team that is winning .500 with the 2nd yougest roster in the NBA, no bench to speak of, and lots of injuries is not FATALLY FLAWED nor is it fatally flawed.

We are in a great spot with a bright future. We will develop and get better and we also have lots of assets so if a really good trade comes along we can make a move if we want.
 
we need healthy exum to conclude this argument. till then, let's stay put


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Hood could be an all star. Exum could be as well. Gobert, Favors and Hayward already get all star consideration. Lyles is going to be pretty good. Our starters and Lyles and burks are pretty decent, probably a notch better than the Toronto team when they are healthy and have matured another year or two. That is a borderline contending team with no luck at all from this point on. If we get lucky again in the draft, like hood and gobert, we will be pretty damn good.

We also need more bench depth. Our bench freaking sucks with burks out.
 
Add mack to the pieces that are keepers, and when healthy that's 8 players who belong in a rotation. We need to have 10 to make it a viable rotation when injuries come into play.
 
The only huge problem is that Gobert can't catch.

I'm convinced even Chris Paul couldn't feed Gobert.
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DownUnder said:
Dude Exum is going to answer a lot of this teams questions. Your eyeballs will pop out of your head when you see what he's going to give to the team.
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That is great for us but poor Fish has waited for this team and won't even be able to watch it. He will just have the announcers on and will have zero idea if we have just made a two or a three. Pray for Fish!
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That is great for us but poor Fish has waited for this team and won't even be able to watch it. He will just have the announcers on and will have zero idea if we have just made a two or a three. Pray for Fish!
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Lol.
Fml after my eyeballs pop out. All down hill from there
 
The truth is to win it all you got to get lucky with one of your core players contract. GS is good not only because they have Curry, but because they have him at 11 million a year.
SA has an intermittent dynasty because Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli are always giving hometown discounts. It allows for a rock solid bench. If Hayward and Favors both want the max from us and we give it to them, history teaches it won't end well. I don't think you can ask Favors to take another discount, it would have to be Hayward this time. Something to think about.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm pretty sure everyone should just chill... 3 or 4 years ago you would not have thought gsw were a contender either. Players develop and things change.
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4 years ago, the Warriors WEREN'T contenders and they were never going to be, Their main guys were Lee, Ellis, Curry, Thompson, Nate Robinson and Dorell Wright, GS recognized they had a flawed core and they made some bold trades to revamp their roster. Was it risky? You bet; Lacob got booed off the court a few years back.

And that's my point. Sorry, Bawse, I should have capitalized the entire thread title to make it even more important, The Jazz have too many defenders and not any shooters. Generally it's the opposite in the NBA; teams have scorers but not players who want to or can defend. IMO, these Jazz are the reverse image of the team back in 2005. Jazz needed to trade a couple of guys while they still had value to bring balance to the team (like Boozer and AK).

It's a tradeoff, but something that needs to be addressed, IMO. End of game situations: how much better would Utah be with 4 guys on the court who could shoot 3's? When the offense is sputtering miserably like it did against SA, why can't Utah bring in decent shooters? Or have 1-2 better shooters in the lineup to begin with? We've seen OVER and OVER again that to have even ONE player in the lineup who isn't an offensive threat makes the team just too easy to defend (Eaton, Ostertag, AK, Brewer, etc). It's just SO easy to game plan for the Jazz: let Utah make their 1,000 passes on the perimeter; overplay Favors and expect Gordon to take the step-back. Hood is a threat so contest what he does. But completely ignore the PG and don't treat the 3PT shot as a threat.

But yes, by all means let's wait for Duck and Run to come back from a major injury to be our savior, since he showed SO much offensive prowess his rookie season. That 35%/31% shooting percentage (when he wasn't too afraid to shoot) certainly puts fear in the hearts of every opposing PG. I know, the rookie to sophomore jump - or was that sophomore to junior - is the biggest improvement period. I mean we certainly saw the last top-10 pick we had make a huge leap.
 
silesian said:
Opposite is true. Ironically, Jazz are losing games because they are not getting stops.
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But they've also had many situations where they had a chance to win with a last-second shot and have gotten terrible looks.

Your point also goes back to the "fatally flawed" argument. If our vaunted defensive juggernaut is not able to get stops, maybe teams have figured it out and are adjusting, So those great defenders are overrated and the Jazz need to change personnel.
 
For how many games we are in being the 2nd youngest team. Umm yea we will contend. And we will for many years. No doubt about it.
 
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