Is there a plan behind all this?

[Harcher]

It boils down to this.

Over the next three years, what is the games won if
If Jazz play PM, AJ as primary bigs for all three years:

If Jazz play PM AJ as primary bigs until trade deadline, win the risk and get an 'excellent fit' starter in return:

If Jazz play EK, DF as primary bigs from this moment forward?

 

[Weezur]

I know there isn't any conspiracy where the GM controls players' minutes directly.
But maybe there is some element to KOC giving Tyrone certain veteran players (Foye, Jefferson, Milsap, Marvin) to limit the time that the young 4 see on the floor. Kind of an indirect method to raise trade value of players you don't want for the future and decrease contract value of players you do want for the future.

 

[Deleted member 365]

The plan is to win some games, don't take too many risks, and get to the playoffs. Getting into the playoffs and selling enough tickets to be profitable is a successful season. If we win some playoff games nice. If not, meh, as long as we're churning out a profit.

It's pretty obvious what the plan is. We've seen it many times before.

 

[fishonjazz]

I know there isn't any conspiracy where the GM controls players' minutes directly.
But maybe there is some element to KOC giving Tyrone certain veteran players (Foye, Jefferson, Milsap, Marvin) to limit the time that the young 4 see on the floor. Kind of an indirect method to raise trade value of players you don't want for the future and decrease contract value of players you do want for the future.

Hopefully this is the method to the madness.

 

[fishonjazz]

The plan is to win some games, don't take too many risks, and get to the playoffs. Getting into the playoffs and selling enough tickets to be profitable is a successful season. If we win some playoff games nice. If not, meh, as long as we're churning out a profit.

It's pretty obvious what the plan is. We've seen it many times before.

More likely this is the actual method to the madness.

 

[addictionary]

Here's a telling statistic for this season: the highest +/- for a 4 player combination on the Jazz this year is Tinsley, Carroll, Hayward and Kanter who have posted a collective +51 this season. By comparison, Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka & Sefolosha have posted a +55.

too few words that tells everything

 

[Stoked]

Just read on ESPN that the "working assumption" amoung the GMs of the league is that the Jazz will trade either Big Al or Millsap for a "frontline PG" by the trade deadline.

 

[franklin]

Here's a telling statistic for this season: the highest +/- for a 4 player combination on the Jazz this year is Tinsley, Carroll, Hayward and Kanter who have posted a collective +51 this season. By comparison, Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka & Sefolosha have posted a +55.

In 21 minutes only. Too small sample size.

 

[IBProfane]

Okay, here's a broadened picture of the +/- statistics I was presenting earlier. I took the top 10 most effective 5 man rotations for the Jazz, and here's how many times each players appeared in those 10 line-ups. The sample size is still relatively small, but between the various line-ups, each player with at least 3 appearances logs more than 50 minutes total, others substantially more.

Gordon Hayward: 7
Derrick Favors: 6
Jamaal Tinsley: 6
Enes Kanter: 5
Marvin Williams: 5
DeMarre Carroll: 5
Paul Millsap: 4
Al Jefferson: 3
Mo Williams: 3
Randy Foye: 3
Earl Watson: 1
Jeremy Evans: 1
Alec Burks: 0

 

[Weezur]

Okay, here's a broadened picture of the +/- statistics I was presenting earlier. I took the top 10 most effective 5 man rotations for the Jazz, and here's how many times each players appeared in those 10 line-ups. The sample size is still relatively small, but between the various line-ups, each player with at least 3 appearances logs more than 50 minutes total, others substantially more.

Gordon Hayward: 7
Derrick Favors: 6
Jamaal Tinsley: 6
Enes Kanter: 5
Marvin Williams: 5
DeMarre Carroll: 5
Paul Millsap: 4
Al Jefferson: 3
Mo Williams: 3
Randy Foye: 3
Earl Watson: 1
Jeremy Evans: 1
Alec Burks: 0

I dunno, the biggest argument for me against using +/- to compare bench players to starters is that it doesn't take into account who you're playing against. I mean, Marvin and Foye will see more minutes against guys like Durant and Lebron whereas Gordon sees minutes against your Lance Stephensons...
I think we all agree that our bench is superior to most benches in the NBA though.

 

[orangello]

I dunno, the biggest argument for me against using +/- to compare bench players to starters is that it doesn't take into account who you're playing against. I mean, Marvin and Foye will see more minutes against guys like Durant and Lebron whereas Gordon sees minutes against your Lance Stephensons...
I think we all agree that our bench is superior to most benches in the NBA though.

Not true. Gordon has played slightly more games coming off the bench than he has starting but he is also closing out a lot of games. I think there is some value to this.

Also, Corbin plays the starters longer than most coaches during the first quarter. I would also say that guys like Kanter and Favors are playing about half of their time against the starters for the other team. I think that there is some truth to the statistics that IB is displaying.

 

[Weezur]

Not true. Gordon has played slightly more games coming off the bench than he has starting but he is also closing out a lot of games. I think there is some value to this.

Also, Corbin plays the starters longer than most coaches during the first quarter. I would also say that guys like Kanter and Favors are playing about half of their time against the starters for the other team. I think that there is some truth to the statistics that IB is displaying.

True. True.