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rescue the yazidis fro the mountain.
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So Dutch, how do you feel about getting sucked into that lie? They(I think the UN in this case) said there were 40,000 up there, but in reality it was 2,000 and they were people that lived up there and didn't want to leave. There were/are still plenty of Yazidis that are fleeing in general and need help, but that whole pumped up mountain scenario doesn't appear to have any merit a week and half later.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
So Dutch, how do you feel about getting sucked into that lie? They(I think the UN in this case) said there were 40,000 up there, but in reality it was 2,000 and they were people that lived up there and didn't want to leave. There were/are still plenty of Yazidis that are fleeing in general and need help, but that whole pumped up mountain scenario doesn't appear to have any merit a week and half later.
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Based on what? Links?

All news reports I have seen have talked about them being trapped and the humanitarian aid being dropped to them.
 
Stoked said:
Based on what? Links?

All news reports I have seen have talked about them being trapped and the humanitarian aid being dropped to them.
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https://complex.foreignpolicy.com/p..._have_misjudged_the_refugee_situation_in_iraq


But beyond that, I remember something in the Guardian that I'll poke around for in a bit that said that somebody on the ground(a Peshmerga general maybe?) said that even the 5,000 number was too large. That it was 2,000 flat and they all seemed okay. And that the others were already long gone before the US started doing anything.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
https://complex.foreignpolicy.com/p..._have_misjudged_the_refugee_situation_in_iraq


But beyond that, I remember something in the Guardian that I'll poke around for in a bit that said that somebody on the ground(a Peshmerga general maybe?) said that even the 5,000 number was too large. That it was 2,000 flat and they all seemed okay. And that the others were already long gone before the US started doing anything.
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Guardian is much more better coverage than US rags. They have real journalism because mature populations do not get fooled by tabloids like in American.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
So Dutch, how do you feel about getting sucked into that lie? They(I think the UN in this case) said there were 40,000 up there, but in reality it was 2,000 and they were people that lived up there and didn't want to leave. There were/are still plenty of Yazidis that are fleeing in general and need help, but that whole pumped up mountain scenario doesn't appear to have any merit a week and half later.
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Typical UN. Americans fell for this and dropped billions more aid. I hear'd it mostly will be wasted to the spoil because they cannot eat too much.

No wonder national budget is close to falling point.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
https://complex.foreignpolicy.com/p..._have_misjudged_the_refugee_situation_in_iraq


But beyond that, I remember something in the Guardian that I'll poke around for in a bit that said that somebody on the ground(a Peshmerga general maybe?) said that even the 5,000 number was too large. That it was 2,000 flat and they all seemed okay. And that the others were already long gone before the US started doing anything.
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I don't think this is a fair way to look at it.

It wasn't a lie there really were just a few days ago tens of thousands of yazidi facing death at the hands of these lunatics. What the US could not have known is how successful the YPG(Syrian Kurdish forces) would be in helping the Iraqi Yazidi. Further Isis has pushed up to 1/4 of a million refugees from Irag and Syria into Kurdish controlled Iraq so stopping their advance towards the refugee camps is a legitimate goal in and of itself.

The US, Iran, Israel, and Russia(strange bedfellows indeed) all agree that we cannot permit these nutjobs to act with impunity. I think that should give us all a sense of how dangerous Isis is. France and Germany are arming and providing aid to the Kurds. Britain is taking part in airstrikes. Russia and Iran are providing military aid to Baghdad. I think it's only right that the US should use our air power to destroy US supplied tanks and humvees that are being used in a campaign of ethnic cleansing.
 
heyhey said:
I don't think this is a fair way to look at it.

It wasn't a lie there really were just a few days ago tens of thousands of yazidi facing death at the hands of these lunatics. What the US could not have known is how successful the YPG(Syrian Kurdish forces) would be in helping the Iraqi Yazidi. Further Isis has pushed up to 1/4 of a million refugees from Irag and Syria into Kurdish controlled Iraq so stopping their advance towards the refugee camps is a legitimate goal in and of itself.

The US, Iran, Israel, and Russia(strange bedfellows indeed) all agree that we cannot permit these nutjobs to act with impunity. I think that should give us all a sense of how dangerous Isis is. France and Germany are arming and providing aid to the Kurds. Britain is taking part in airstrikes. Russia and Iran are providing military aid to Baghdad. I think it's only right that the US should use our air power to destroy US supplied tanks and humvees that are being used in a campaign of ethnic cleansing.
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In addition to Australia providing aid and being willing to expand military cooperation to stop ISIS. The Lebanese (with Hezbollah support) and the Jordanians are stackign their border with Iraq with troops to prevent ISIS from entering their territory.

I am with Heyhey.

When you see America, Russia, Israel, Iran, Germany, Hezbollah, Nusra Front, Australia, France, Britian, Syria, Syrian rebels, Iraq, Kurds, Lebanon and Jordan all unite to fight the same group then there is a real problem with that group.
 
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