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Islamists kill 12 people in France during attack on newspaper office.

These situations are where the American government needs to learn their actions have consequences. they are not dealing with westernised countries
Iraq needed Saddam, Libya needed Gaddafi and Syria needs Assad.
These guys were/are lunatics but they killed or kept these type of people under control.
 
I am absolutely shocked with the disgusting ways people are excusing violence here. Everything is gained by allowing all kinds of dumb and smart ideas to be expressed without threat of violence. EVERYTHING! Freedom of speech and expression is one of the foundations of modern society.

What in fact you are saying is - if there are enough people willing to kill you for something you want to say, you should shut up or you'd be welcoming what's coming to you. In essence this is a license to silence people through threats and fear. Shameful!
Good post.

But the truth is, if there are enough people willing to kill me for drawing a cartoon then I just don't draw it. Call me a coward, or smart, or whatever. Im going to pick my battles though and drawing offensive stuff is not a battle that im willing to die for.

I guess it's noble or courageous that there are people out there willing to die for silly cartoons though...... of course I would bet that those who died would like a re-do and would probably choose life over the cartoon if given the choice
 
I'm not sure if I could even have a civilized conversation with a person who uses the denigration "islamist."
Im sorry if I said something offensive. For what it's worth (maybe very little, idk) I didn't just say islamists... I actually used the term islamist extremists
 
Good post.

But the truth is, if there are enough people willing to kill me for drawing a cartoon then I just don't draw it. Call me a coward, or smart, or whatever. Im going to pick my battles though and drawing offensive stuff is not a battle that im willing to die for.

I guess it's noble or courageous that there are people out there willing to die for silly cartoons though...... of course I would bet that those who died would like a re-do and would probably choose life over the cartoon if given the choice

The question is not if you'd be willing to make a drawing. The question is whether it is OK for anyone to threaten you or even worse - to carry out the threats for something you hold dear and have expressed. I don't know if you are religious, if you have some strong ideals or positions... imagine an extremist group threatens to kill you if you keep speaking about it, whatever it is(religion, political ideas, etc.).

In this case the nature of the carictures is immaterial. It doesn't matter what they portray, I might not agree with whatever they portray or I might not find it tasteful or I might not find it particularly important as an issue, but the underlying principle is much more important to defend, because the underlying principle that protects their right to publish cartoons is the same one that will defend your right to express whatever views you hold most dear without fear of persecution or violence.

You understand that once those people and others are shown that threats and instilling fear works, there will be no end to it, right? All kinds of extremist groups will be able to silence all kinds of positions, simply through violence or threat of violence. Do you really want to live in a society where the only positions you can hear are the ones held by the people most willing to go through with their threats of violence, with the rest being either submitted into silence or killed for their ideas?
 
You understand that once those people and others are shown that threats and instilling fear works, there will be no end to it, right? All kinds of extremist groups will be able to silence all kinds of positions, simply through violence or threat of violence. Do you really want to live in a society where the only positions you can hear are the ones held by the people most willing to go through with their threats of violence, with the rest being either submitted into silence or killed for their ideas?

I'm pointing out this paragraph because it's key. If you allow yourself to get bullied and bury your head in the ground like an ostrich watch how the problem just spreads like the Black Plague. It hasn't got too ugly here yet but I by the time I left Spain there was a real cultural clash starting to emerge, and it's even worse in France. But again, you have to ask yourself, WHO has caused this to happen? And start pointing fingers accordingly.
 
The question is not if you'd be willing to make a drawing. The question is whether it is OK for anyone to threaten you or even worse - to carry out the threats for something you hold dear and have expressed. I don't know if you are religious, if you have some strong ideals or positions... imagine an extremist group threatens to kill you if you keep speaking about it, whatever it is(religion, political ideas, etc.).

In this case the nature of the carictures is immaterial. It doesn't matter what they portray, I might not agree with whatever they portray or I might not find it tasteful or I might not find it particularly important as an issue, but the underlying principle is much more important to defend, because the underlying principle that protects their right to publish cartoons is the same one that will defend your right to express whatever views you hold most dear without fear of persecution or violence.

You understand that once those people and others are shown that threats and instilling fear works, there will be no end to it, right? All kinds of extremist groups will be able to silence all kinds of positions, simply through violence or threat of violence. Do you really want to live in a society where the only positions you can hear are the ones held by the people most willing to go through with their threats of violence, with the rest being either submitted into silence or killed for their ideas?
Great post
 
Australia.. now France?? More excutions carried out ...


It might be that in the future we refuse any islamic migrants or tourists. That might be the only way to solve this issue long term. I know its the actions of a few that ruined it for all muslims but it cant be helped can it to stop all this madness?
 
I did some half-assed research on the term "islamist" and the results were underwhelming. Some say it's racist, others claim its integrity to explain a terroristic phenomenon. I recognize I have a strong emotionally based position on the use of this word. This, like many if not all of our attitudes, is determined by how we feel about it. But YOLO anyways dudes. Sorry I think I got a little heated last night ~@~
 
Australia.. now France?? More excutions carried out ...


It might be that in the future we refuse any islamic migrants or tourists. That might be the only way to solve this issue long term. I know its the actions of a few that ruined it for all muslims but it cant be helped can it to stop all this madness?

Well said, we should all follow suit and Love Life, I'll take Lindsey rawwwr
 
I did some half-assed research on the term "islamist" and the results were underwhelming. Some say it's racist, others claim its integrity to explain a terroristic phenomenon. I recognize I have a strong emotionally based position on the use of this word. This, like many if not all of our attitudes, is determined by how we feel about it. But YOLO anyways dudes. Sorry I think I got a little heated last night ~@~

Calm down and relax Pepe
 
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