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Fosto said:
Perhaps Israel should stop the bombardment and come to the negotiation table.
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Why did the bombardment start? Do you think they would just let the captives go if the bombardment stopped? If so, why even take the captives in the first place which started the bombardment that they knew would certainly follow? Strange fellows those that want to execute civilians live on the internet and chop off babies heads and stuff. Hard to figure out anything they might or might not do with that kind of mindset.
 
fishonjazz said:
Why did the bombardment start? Do you think they would just let the captives go if the bombardment stopped? If so, why even take the captives in the first place which started the bombardment that they knew would certainly follow? Strange fellows those that want to execute civilians live on the internet and chop off babies heads and stuff. Hard to figure out anything they might or might not do with that kind of mindset.
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Yes, I think they're using the hostages as a bargaining chip, as they've stated, and as logic dictates. They took captives because they know Israel's response would be as catastrophically disproportional as usual. Again, a bargaining chip.

As for the rest, I think it's already been responded to ad nauseam. If you insist on seeing things in a vacuum, turning a blind eye to the larger picture, then I can't help you.

Israel has already killed more people in this round of bombardment, including children, than Hamas' recent attack. Which is of course a drop in the bucket, compared to the deaths and suffering they've inflicted over the past century.
 
fishonjazz said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-makes-hamas-massacre-israelis-174536214.html

The context is important. We are just days removed from a terrorist attack that has been described as Israel’s 9/11. Babies were killed and their bodies desecrated. Women were raped. Elderly people were abducted. Hostages (including Americans) are missing. The nation is still mourning.

And, in the wake of all of this, Trump thinks this is a good time to dredge up an old indignity by the prime minister—someone he had previously lavished with praise and called a friend.

It’s about him. It’s always about him. In the wake of Hamas’ savage terrorist attack on Israel, former president and presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump somehow found a way to make this all about him.

During a speech in West Palm Beach on Wednesday, Trump criticized Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, over a past perceived slight, and praised Hezbollah terrorists—who have been exchanging fire with the Israel Defense Forces on a second front in the North of Israel—as “smart.”

“I’ll never forget that Bibi Netanyahu let us down. That was a very terrible thing,” Trump said. (Note: Trump’s invocation of the words “never forget” is likely accidental, if extraordinarily insensitive. But what else would we expect from a man who adopted the “America First” slogan?)

Trump later added that, after the mission to take out Suleimani was successful, “Bibi tried to take credit for it.”

Translation: Never mind the terrorist attack, Trump is the real victim.

Regardless of the merit of this (the veracity has yet to be confirmed), there is a time to air grievances and there is a time to comfort our friends. For any normal human being, this moment would call for the latter.
But who could be surprised? One of Trump’s first big political “scandals” came when he attacked John McCain, a former prisoner of war, for being captured.

Of course, there’s more to Trump’s criticism of Bibi than meets the eye. There’s always more to the story when it comes to Trump.

Trump—who loves to praise evil strongmen like Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un—wouldn’t publicly criticize Bibi were it not for another perceived slight.

This affront was much worse and borderline unpardonable: After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, Netanyahu congratulated him.
If there’s one thing that really annoys Trump, it’s people who aren’t willing to perpetuate his big lie.

Say what you will about Bibi; he wasn’t about to let Trump’s reality distortion field force him to take sides against the man who was likely to be the next POTUS.

In Trump’s warped mind, though, Bibi should have been more loyal to Trump than he is to the truth… or Israel.

“Nobody did more for Bibi. And I liked Bibi... But I also like loyalty... Bibi could have stayed quiet. He has made a terrible mistake,” Trump was quoted as saying at the time, before adding: “I haven’t spoken to him since. F—- him.”
It’s tempting to dismiss Trump’s blather as laughable, but the stakes are high. At a time when Ukraine and Israel both face serious threats, should the leader of the free world be a thin-skinned and capricious president who puts his own ego above all else?

Does America really want four more years of chaos and a president who is harder on allies than dictators?
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Says the people making this terrorist attack about Trump. Sadly you Trumpers will never understand your own blatant hypocrisy. Everything to you all is about Trump. None of this happened under his watch but you still find time to try to turn attention towards him just because you starve for his presence. IMO he is the biggest deity in history to Democrats outside of Jesus.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Why did the bombardment start? Do you think they would just let the captives go if the bombardment stopped? If so, why even take the captives in the first place which started the bombardment that they knew would certainly follow? Strange fellows those that want to execute civilians live on the internet and chop off babies heads and stuff. Hard to figure out anything they might or might not do with that kind of mindset.
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But logic dictates slaughtering civilians and taking women and children hostage and raping them … you know cuz bargaining chips.
 
Fosto said:
Yes, I think they're using the hostages as a bargaining chip, as they've stated, and as logic dictates. They took captives because they know Israel's response would be as catastrophically disproportional as usual. Again, a bargaining chip.

As for the rest, I think it's already been responded to ad nauseam. If you insist on seeing things in a vacuum, turning a blind eye to the larger picture, then I can't help you.

Israel has already killed more people in this round of bombardment, including children, than Hamas' recent attack. Which is of course a drop in the bucket, compared to the deaths and suffering they've inflicted over the past century.
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So bombardments weren't happening. Hamas kidnaps some people with the intent to stop bombardments.
Makes way more sense to just not kidnap people in the first place and never have the bombardments start.
 
SteakNEggs said:
Says the people making this terrorist attack about Trump. Sadly you Trumpers will never understand your own blatant hypocrisy. Everything to you all is about Trump. None of this happened under his watch but you still find time to try to make attention towards him. IMO is the biggest deity in history to Democrats outside of Jesus.
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So you think I made trump do and say these things? If trump didn't want to make it about Trump then that would be easy for him to do. Just not say or do these things. Sadly I don't control trump though so I can't stop him from making everything about him. I'm just a single person posting on a jazz fan message board. I don't even have Twitter or a YouTube channel. I have zero followers anywhere. Yet you think I have the power to make this war about Trump. Lol. I'm flattered
 
Here's another one referencing Israel's role in creating Hamas. This can get muddy and ugly quick. The White House is already starting to blame Hamas on Iran I assume so they can usher in WW3 as Iran is in alliance with Russia. This isnt good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Did you know that Israel created Hamas? <br><br>There were two reasons for this shocking strategy:<br><br>Divide and Rule: Split the Palestinian leadership into two divisions.<br><br>Use Hamas’ hard line as an excuse to reject any peace plan. <br><br>That is, create a controlled opposition, which… <a href="https://t.co/0r86RNmvnx">pic.twitter.com/0r86RNmvnx</a></p>&mdash; S.L. Kanthan (@Kanthan2030) <a href="
View: https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1710845683585208621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
">October 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
fishonjazz said:
So bombardments weren't happening. Hamas kidnaps some people with the intent to stop bombardments.
Makes way more sense to just not kidnap people in the first place and never have the bombardments start.
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The bombardment isn't because of the kidnappings. It's because Hamas killed 1000+ people.
 
Fosto said:
The bombardment isn't because of the kidnappings. It's because Hamas killed 1000+ people.
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Eh, I doubt Israel is cool with the kidnappings.
Agree to disagree I guess.
 
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