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Its Kanter, D-Will2.0, and Knight in no particular order

Maybe Knight IS a point guard you can typically find in the teens, but not this year. This year, he is among the 4 or 5 players with the most upside and potential in the draft, due to an admittedly weak draft. It doesn't matter what happens in other drafts, he's a top 5 player in THIS draft and a guy we need to look long and hard at if Williams and Irving are off the board.

But the Jazz don't need a PG. "Not this year." (Devin Harris is starting)
And Knight is still a couple years away anyway, so why waste a pick on him when he's superfluous and the Jazz can just wait until another year to burn a pick in the teens on a PG.

Jazz don't need a PF either (Jefferson, Favors, Millsap, Memo) but a guy with Kanter's talent will not be in the teens in any year. That's why I advocate picking him up and then parlaying him, or another PF on the roster, into a deal that brings in some assets.

Next year looks like an awesome draft. The Jazz can get a really good SF next year and if you're interested in a PG, North Carolina's Kendall Marshall is currently projected going at the top of the second round on DX.
 
Harrison Barnes was underwhelming UNTIL Kendall Marshall became the Tar Heels starting PG. I like a PG that makes the rest of the players better.

Yes, I'd be ecstatic to get both Barnes and Marshall in the 2012 draft. But even if the Jazz can't get Barnes there are a ton of promising wings after him.
 
Harrison Barnes was underwhelming UNTIL Kendall Marshall became the Tar Heels starting PG. I like a PG that makes the rest of the players better.

Yes, I'd be ecstatic to get both Barnes and Marshall in the 2012 draft. But even if the Jazz can't get Barnes there are a ton of promising wings after him.

I'm still pulling for Williams to solve our wing problems. Harris is getting old for a point guard that relies on quickness to be successful. Why not bring in a guy who can immediately challenge for a starting spot while also learning from a pretty decent veteran point guard with similar size that can challenge his weaknesses in practice to become a better all round player? We're not winning a ring next year even if we were to land Williams and Kanter. Give the 18 year old kid a year or two to develop into everything he CAN be. We've seen dramatic improvement to date, enough to excite me about the prospect of him running our team a couple of years down the line.
 
Yeah, we have a different POV and we're not convincing each other. It doesn't matter - we're not actually making the decisions anyway.
 
Yes I am. I am tons of fun. I am a rockin good time!!!

Convinced? or are we once again at an impasse?

You make some compelling arguments, but I can't help being left unsatisfied...kind of how I feel after watching Kanter highlights. Zing! No, in all seriousness I think they're both excellent prospects. The difference is that Kanter is a can't pass up prospect because of his versatility and size where as Knight is a guy that has all the right ideas and tangibles, but needs to improve upon his execution and fundamentals, which is a learning process that will take a year or two. I don't know if he'll ever be an All-Star with the PG's that are in the league now, which is something I could argue for with Kanter, but we don't need him to be if we've got All-Star quality players in the front court. If our intentions are to move one of the bigs (preferably Sap) then I say go for it and see if he can eventually elapse Al, otherwise get Knight by either drafting him at 3 or trading back to 5 or 6.
 
But once again, I take DWill 2.0 over either of them any day of the week. I know you're still being brought over to the dark side in that regard, but you can't argue his potential if he's able to play the small forward position in the NBA.
 
I don't know if he'll ever be an All-Star with the PG's that are in the league now, which is something I could argue for with Kanter, but we don't need him to be if we've got All-Star quality players in the front court. If our intentions are to move one of the bigs (preferably Sap) then I say go for it and see if he can eventually elapse Al, otherwise get Knight by either drafting him at 3 or trading back to 5 or 6.

Yeah, you don't draft Kanter and keep the frontcourt logjam as is. Someone will have to get traded, and I'm also thinking it's most likely Sap. I love the guy but he's already becoming the odd man out. And he has value in the league so the Jazz should be able to pull in some decent assets.

Kanter and Knight are probably equal at their respective positions. It's the fact that Kanter plays a premium position that makes you have to go with him at 3.

I'd probably be all over Knight if he could be had at 12. but that won't happen.
 
But once again, I take DWill 2.0 over either of them any day of the week. I know you're still being brought over to the dark side in that regard, but you can't argue his potential if he's able to play the small forward position in the NBA.

I love Dwill2. I love his cockiness. It's not like he didn't earn it - never projected as a top h.s. prospect and then playing with that chip on his shoulder. You gotta love how he's progressed. As far as him at the 3, I'm becoming more convinced that whatever difficulties he might have there he'll be determined to work out. The guy's got incredible drive and I love it.

I'm thrilled with whoever falls to pick 3.
 
It is entirely possible Kyrie Irving is our choice as well, as many have stated. It is not too hard to see how that happens. It happens if:
1. Cleveland takes Derrick Williams as #1
2. Kahn decides he doesn't need another PG, as Rubio is the future for them there. At least that is what he hopes. So they take Kanter.
3. Jazz have their pick of Irving or Knight.

Irving has to be in the discussion. Don't forget about him. I think he will be there at 3.
Yes, I have also thought of that and it wouldn't be a bad outcome. Then Cleveland takes Knight at #4. Cavs are sitting pretty. I'm happy for that franchise; they deserved to get a break after going through the "Decision" debacle. But if Williams goes #1, then I think Minnesota would trade their pick. They could drop down a couple of positions, pick up another asset and still come away with a good non-PG. If I were a betting man, I'd say Irving and Willaims still go 1-2, in some order, leaving KOC to choose between Kanter and Knight. Given that Kanter is not a true center and we already have two of those in Jefferson and Favors (and even Okur), I think the choice for Utah will be Knight. Harris has a couple more years left; Watson is a FA and Price...well, he's a better cheerleader than player. So there's a definite need to develop a good, young PG. And #12 should net a decent SF (I'm hoping Singleton).
 
Last I checked the message boards don't determine picks. Had that been the case, the Jazz would have NEVER ended up with Hayward.
If Knight (or Kanter) are impressive in workouts, Cavs could very well determine they'd be better off having Williams/Knight (or Kanter) over Irving/Vesely. I think Irving WILL go #1, but he's no Derrick Rose or John Wall. He's played, what, about 11 college games?
 
I also wouldn't be stunned if Cleveland passed on Kyrie at #1.

Like others have said, they need a complete overhaul. They need to come out of this draft with the best package possible out of the #1 and #4 picks.

I think Irving is the safe pick at #1, and will be a very good PG in the NBA for a long time. However, I think Williams could be a monster, and has more superstar potential.

Both of these guys are likely franchise cornerstones. I think Cleveland would be wise to consider other players' workouts. If Cleveland falls in love with Brandon Knight, and thinks a) he's their PG and b) will be there at 4, I could see them going Williams #1. Conversely, if they love one of the foreign bigs and want to go big at #4, Irving makes a lot of sense at #1.

I predict Kyrie goes #1, but it's possible he slips. Past #2 though? I doubt it. Yes Minny has a glut of PG's, but four mediocre PG's (...+ Rubio) doesn't add up to one great one. Who knows with Kahn, though...maybe he falls in love with Kanter.
 
Irving will go #1 and I think there's no doubt at all. Just my opinion, but I just don't see it any other way.
1 - Irving
2 - Williams
3 - Kanter / Knight
 
Irving will go #1 and I think there's no doubt at all. Just my opinion, but I just don't see it any other way.
1 - Irving
2 - Williams
3 - Kanter / Knight

I think Minny will trade out of 2, Williams projects to be a Beasley clone. Possibly a slightly better one, but nearly identical skill sets. Whatever team trades up though will take Williams though so its all the same to us.
 
This draft really blows. Kyring Irving has more body fat than the pillsbury doughboy. DWill is an amazing athlete, but can he play SF? Kanter shows great hands, great potential, but we haven't seen this guy play a real game in a year. Knight has potential, but may not be ready for two years and he is as skinny as POW. This could be the worst draft EVVVVEEEERRRR!
 
*sigh*

Harrison Barnes. If only. We would be sitting pretty.

He wouldn't have fallen to the Jazz. But they would've got either Dwill2 or Kanter. Wait - so the result is the same.

Next year at least Barnes pushes someone down to them. Or maybe they actually get him.
 
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