I've never been so scared in my life

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There are 7th, 8th, and 9th graders in the school. I think the kid is in 8th grade.

Did your daughter know the kid?

 

[bigb]

She hasn't even heard who it was yet.

 

[fishonjazz]

Srsly imagine your workplace. Now imagine that everyone there is going through puberty, you have weekly tests of your knowledge, you have to take your work home, you can't quit, you don't get paid, and you produce nothing. That's Jr high.

Damm. I would probably go postal too in that scenario.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Columbine

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[Joe Bagadonuts]

How many suicides, overdoses, dropouts, etc.

Seems like you're ignoring the way the vast majority of kids lash out.

You don't think I noticed that you just moved the goalposts?

 

[♪alt13]

You don't think I noticed that you just moved the goalposts?

What are you talking about? You need to reread my posts with less of an agenda. I'm not making any argument against gun control here. Nothing I have said in this thread is an argument against gun control. You could agree or disagree with me and still be for or against gun control.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

What are you talking about? You need to reread my posts with less of an agenda. I'm not making any argument against gun control here. Nothing I have said in this thread is an argument against gun control. You could agree or disagree with me and still be for or against gun control.

I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.

 

[Daedalus]

Read the first page. Lost the heart to read the rest. I just say... WTF.

 

[infection]

Read the first page. Lost the heart to read the rest. I just say... WTF.

Woah, where have you been?

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.

I think he was saying that kids lashing out (in many ways, not just bringing guns to school) is a systemic issue.

 

[♪alt13]

I'm not sure why you think I see this as a gun control issue. I disagree with your assessment that school shootings are some sort of systemic issue that arises from taking a hunter/gatherer culture and putting them into schools. To me that sounds like a ridiculous explanation for very bad (but also very isolated) behavior like shooting up a school.

Forget about the shooters for a second

Let's talk about destructive behaviors as a whole. When we do it seems that they are commonplace. Now think of all the kids that feel the same way but are able to hold it together even if just barely. Why do so many kids feel so isolated, worthless, imprisoned, and hopeless? Is that how they are supposed to feel? You tell me, What's going on?

 

[bigb]

Some kinda coincidence this happens days after OP is advocating for kids using guns.. amiright or amiright???

I know this is a sensitive time, and I wouldn't even ask if you weren't discussing this with others, but shouldn't you be waiting to hear more facts on this case (after the investigation is further along) before deciding how this either reinforces or changes what you already believed?

After we got home and spent some time together, my daughter was doing okay (relatively) and I had something I really needed to take care of at work. I asked her if she was okay and she told me to go back to work (she knows how busy I've been the last couple weeks). Work had always been very therapeutic for me. It allows me to clear my head and think through things. So, I've had a chance to think through these comments and my feelings. The conclusion I came to is the same it's been. I firmly believe that if guns (with the necessary training, etc.) were more available/accessible to faculty and such at schools, these ******** scenarios wouldn't play out to the extent they do. Imagine how many fewer lives could have been lost at Columbine or Sandy Hook if a handful of teachers/staff were carrying weapons? I'm pretty sure we can all agree that if someone with bad intentions wants a gun, they will find it. If there are more "good guys" with the ability/tools to protect us, it will help. I go back to the responsibility of the gun owner.