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J Van Gundy top 3 of nba history stock, malone, and horny

Darkwing Duck said:
He had prime Yao and prime McGrady and couldn't get out of the first round because he was clearly outcoached by Sloan.
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Prime McGrady couldn't get out of a freaking paper bag, let alone the first round. No need to fault Jeffrey for McGrady's constant ineptitude.
 
A stretch, but from a pure skills standpoint they're in the conversation. The problem with those three - as great as they were - is ultimately size and athleticism. By the time the Jazz got Hornacek, both Malone and Stockton had visibly lost some power and speed, respectively. And Hornacek was undersized and underathletic for his position from the beginning.

But their skillsets and how it all interplayed was close to perfect. At least on O.

Parker/Ginobili/Duncan wasn't/isn't a bad one (in their primes specifically). You can actually see some parallels between them and the Jazz's aforementioned 3, just that Duncan is kind of a rich man's Malone (taller, longer, offers more positional versatility, more complete defender) and Ginobili a rich man's Hornacek (both very crafty and great shooters, but Ginobili is taller and a hell of a lot more athletic which also makes him a terrific defender). Parker isn't much of a Stockton, though you could draw some comparisons as well.
 
Inn Dawn said:
Prime McGrady couldn't get out of a freaking paper bag, let alone the first round. No need to fault Jeffrey for McGrady's constant ineptitude.
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Dude went like 26-6-6 against the Jazz in the playoffs. McGrady wasn't the biggest reason the Rockets didn't win in the playoffs.
 
26-6-6, huh? On what percentages with how many turnovers in how many minutes?

There's more to the game than numbers, and McGrady going, what, 0-7 in playoffs series? isn't a coincidence. Especially when a team that was essentially the same the previous year won a playoff series the following year with him on the bench.

McGrady bridges the gap between winning stars and the biggest mirages in recen history with Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and Antoine Walker. He had some talent and not a terrible attitude, but he just didn't get it.
 
To be fair to JVG his team leader was T-mac and the team wasn't exactly filled with talent. Guys like Luther Head, Kirk Snyder, Chuck Hayes. And Rafer Alston was the starting PG.
 
Edit: McGrady was a mirage. Marbury and the rest universally made every one of their teams a lot worse.
 
I remember actively cheering every time Rafer took a shot.

On the original topic, from a pure success standpoint it's hard to argue with the classics:

Russell/Havlicek/Cousy
 
NUMBERICA said:
26-6-6, huh? On what percentages with how many turnovers in how many minutes?

There's more to the game than numbers, and McGrady going, what, 0-7 in playoffs series? isn't a coincidence. Especially when a team that was essentially the same the previous year won a playoff series the following year with him on the bench.

McGrady bridges the gap between winning stars and the biggest mirages in recen history with Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury and Antoine Walker. He had some talent and not a terrible attitude, but he just didn't get it.
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And what was his usage rate with Van Gundy as the coach? It looked like during the playoffs, Van Gundy had TWO plays. Dump it in to Yao, and give McGrady the ball. THAT'S IT. Van Gundy CAN'T coach offense. He's HORRIBLE at it. You say look at history. Look at all of Van Gundy's teams. They all sucked at offense. He's a very good defensive coach, but Mike freaking Brown is better at implementing an offensive scheme than Van Gundy.
 
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