Jackpotting Around Episode 17

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think we win more games with Huerter and Lyles than Collins btw. Huerter will take up minutes that would have gone to young players who are the best tank commanders in the league. Collins minutes will be replaced by Eubanks/Lyles and more Kessler minutes.

That's insane to think. Collins as a 3rd big is a very good player.

Also you don't have to play Lyles at all. Huerter is also much easier to trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

How much does he like John Collins and his 53 million remaining dollars on his deal? I would say he's rather be paying Huerter 17 million next year.

This is the strangest pushback. We know they want to trade Collins. They arent asking for a first.

Time out, so you’re telling me John Collins makes $53 million remaining dollars, but Huerter only makes $17 million next year??? Wowee, sounds too good to be true, almost like you’re being intellectually dishonest.

It’s two years of Huerter for $35 million plus Lyles’ $8 million this year. It’s a difference of $10 million over two years… for a team with little or no functional cap space.

I don’t think it’s enough.

 

[KqWIN]

I would say Collins fits their roster needs much better than Huerter, but he is paid more and I'm sure the Kings probably have some financial concerns.

I think that's a fair assessment. Looking at the Kings cap situation....It doesn't effect them much. You are adding $10M more for the following year (which is not nothing), but the Kings are not a cap space team. One could argue that the larger expiring contract is more desirable when it doesn't come at a large opportunity cost.

I don't necessarily buy the notion that the Kings are desperate to get rid of Huerter though. He was great his first year with the Kings. He's just about to turn 26, so definitely an opportunity to rebound. Some would consider me a Collins apologist, but even I can acknowledge that having good shooting wings who don't suck are super valuable. It just happens to be the case that the Kings are desperate for a big and Collins would be great for them and also a great situation for Collins to thrive in.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Time out, so you’re telling me John Collins makes $53 million remaining dollars, but Huerter only makes $17 million next year??? Wowee, sounds too good to be true, almost like you’re being intellectually dishonest.

It’s two years of Huerter for $35 million plus Lyles’ $8 million this year. It’s a difference of $10 million over two years… for a team with little or no functional cap space.

I don’t think it’s enough.

What's easier to trade? A 17 million expiring or a 26 million dollar expiring?

If this trade is on the table, which I doubt it is, I don't think the Kings want to commit to that salary, the Jazz would jump on it.

 

[KqWIN]

That's insane to think. Collins as a 3rd big is a very good player.

Also you don't have to play Lyles at all. Huerter is also much easier to trade.

I don't think it's insane at all. You trade Collins, it means more minutes for Kessler and Eubanks. You bring in Huerter, it means less minutes for guys like Sensabaugh. Huerter is also 26 and one year removed from being a quality starter.

 

[idiot]

The Collins to SAC idea sounds like one of those things that would already be done if SAC was actually interested. The proposed scenarios would have diminished our payroll, so a trade wouldn't have needed to wait for the Markkanen extension.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Collins to SAC idea sounds like one of those things that would already be done if SAC was actually interested. The proposed scenarios would have diminished our payroll, so a trade wouldn't have needed to wait for the Markkanen extension.

The Lauri stuff has slowed everything down in general. You are probably right, but teams aren't in a hurry right now.

 

[idiot]

I don't think it's insane at all. You trade Collins, it means more minutes for Kessler and Eubanks. You bring in Huerter, it means less minutes for guys like Sensabaugh. Huerter is also 26 and one year removed from being a quality starter.

Eubanks (for whatever reason -- I haven't wrapped my mind around it yet, since his basic production looks OK) has been strongly negative in +/- stats basically his whole career (unlike Collins).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What's easier to trade? A 17 million expiring or a 26 million dollar expiring?

If this trade is on the table, which I doubt it is, I don't think the Kings want to commit to that salary, the Jazz would jump on it.

I guess this is why I think the deal is kind of hard to construct. I don't think they are desperate to dump Huerter and he's a guy that is easy to trade separately during the season imo. I'd do Lyles/Huerter for JC straight up. Cut Lyles (he don't like practicing hard and we need some hard practices). Kevin coming off surgery so feels like a great excuse to ease him in and really make sure that shoulder working well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Eubanks (for whatever reason -- I haven't wrapped my mind around it yet, since his basic production looks OK) has been strongly negative in +/- stats basically his whole career (unlike Collins).

because he's very bad. He sticking around based on vibes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If we can also trade Kessler somewhere for anything in the ballpark of fair value, sign me all the way up for Collins for $9 million in cap space next offseason.

 

[idiot]

I don't think it's insane at all. You trade Collins, it means more minutes for Kessler and Eubanks. You bring in Huerter, it means less minutes for guys like Sensabaugh. Huerter is also 26 and one year removed from being a quality starter.

I agree that Huerter would probably get some minutes and those would be more "winning" minutes than who we currently have slated to take those minutes. Also agree with @Saint Cy of JFC that it's politically easier for Hardy to sit Huerter than Collins, just given the circumstances of their contract/way they were (would be) acquired.