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Jackpotting Around Podcast: Episode 37 - Keandre Ashley of Hoop Intellect

Elizah Huge said:
Tre Johnson within 3 feet - 58/97 (59.8%)

Kon Knueppel within 3 feet - 77/122 (63.1%)

Tre Johnson off the dribble - 72/194 (37.1%)
Off the dribble threes - 38/99 (38.4%)

Kon Knueppel off the dribble - 19/58 (32.8%)
Off the dribble threes - 3/21 (14.3%)
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And that's why I have said the case for Tre is not athleticism or length... its off the dribble shooting. Kon also has a much higher Ftr. I think Tre is more athletic than Kon in a jump and run sense for sure... there is just nothing on the basketball court you can point to that tells you it is the case... so how much stock do you put into it?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Yes and no. If you are comparing two players then saying one was in the tougher league makes sense. If you are saying this guy is for sure going to be good because look what he did in this league, then that doesn't make sense. Even the best league is inferior to the NBA.

Make sense?
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Yeah it does. I kinda though we just use that info to compare prospects.. but I guess it could be that some use it to elevate the upside projections.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And the off the dribble shooting is really nice if you can leverage it to get rim attempts... its not a way you want to live. Tre and Kon have completely valid cases to be selected at #5.

I can't decide what to do with VJ but sounds like he is the most likely gone by #5. I kind of hope we land on Ace even though I have some big reservations on him. Tre and Kon its a coin flip but Imma stay on the Kon side of the coin (I really have no choice at this point lol). I kind of hope that if Ace isn't there that Ainge can do his trade back magic and get another pick and take whichever guy lands 6/7. I could see Washington doing 6/18 for 5 and I happily take Kon or Tre and take another swing at 18.
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In the last week I think I've decided that VJ is the 3rd best guy in this draft (RIP Kas). I'm not sure if I would feel strongly enough to move 21 to get there, but maybe. Tre, Kon, Ace, Fears are in the same tier for me.

I would be in on Ace if I was PHI, but for UTA specifically I might fade him. Don't love him in a tanking situation and think we just make him into Rudy Gay 2.0.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
My belief is that its likely easier for a guy who shoots the piss out of the ball to figure out off the dribble shooting than it is for a guy who doesn't get to the rim and struggles to finish to get better at that. I don't think either are impossible of course. I think both Kon and Tre have similar ceilings and the winner of this great debate will be the guy that actually does hit his ceiling (if either do).

My issue the whole times is simply folks dismissing Kon as not even in the conversation... its 100% a conversation... sorry.
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I think part of why Kon gets dismissed is because it seems like the most of the mocks (like if you made a consensus) have Kon going after the jazz have already picked. Fair or not I think that is part of the reasoning. Same with fears, kas, queen, maluch etc etc
Fears fans probably have an issue with him not being included in this Kon vs Tre convo. Same with Kas fans or maluch fans or whoever.
 
KqWIN said:
In the last week I think I've decided that VJ is the 3rd best guy in this draft (RIP Kas). I'm not sure if I would feel strongly enough to move 21 to get there, but maybe. Tre, Kon, Ace, Fears are in the same tier for me.

I would be in on Ace if I was PHI, but for UTA specifically I might fade him. Don't love him in a tanking situation and think we just make him into Rudy Gay 2.0.
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The development path is key with Ace. Get him to buy into being Jaden McDaniels plus (at least to start his career) and you are on to something. If you ended up with Rudy Gay but maybe he hits like 37% of his threes and takes 6-7 a game that might be something.

If he's a hard worker and coachable then the development staff needs to do their job and mold him... if he wants to be 6'9" Jordan Clarkson he might be in trouble. I would ask Hardy to take the Hard Willy approach with Ace rather than the Lisan Al Gaib approach.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The development path is key with Ace. Get him to buy into being Jaden McDaniels plus (at least to start his career) and you are on to something. If you ended up with Rudy Gay but maybe he hits like 37% of his threes and takes 6-7 a game that might be something.

If he's a hard worker and coachable then the development staff needs to do their job and mold him... if he wants to be 6'9" Jordan Clarkson he might be in trouble. I would ask Hardy to take the Hard Willy approach with Ace rather than the Lisan Al Gaib approach.
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That part about him buying into a role could happen in PHI….lets be honest it’s not happening in UTA. He’s going to be the best “hooper” on the team immediately. Gonna be hard to tell him to defend and learn role player stuff. I think we’ll turn him into Gay, Barnes when he tried to score, Wiggins when he tried to score a lot etc. Don’t think we’re the team to turn into the hypothetical good versions of those players or be the second/third team that turns them into a good role player after the shot maker stuff failed.

I don’t even mind that much if he really wants to be a scorer, but at least shoot decent shots. He’s just so obsessed with the mid range. Hates creating contact on offense and shooting 3’s for whatever reason.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The development path is key with Ace. Get him to buy into being Jaden McDaniels plus (at least to start his career) and you are on to something. If you ended up with Rudy Gay but maybe he hits like 37% of his threes and takes 6-7 a game that might be something.

If he's a hard worker and coachable then the development staff needs to do their job and mold him... if he wants to be 6'9" Jordan Clarkson he might be in trouble. I would ask Hardy to take the Hard Willy approach with Ace rather than the Lisan Al Gaib approach.
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I would agree on the path except but I'm pretty confident he wouldnt. After all he is the "I practice every shot" guy who "doesnt have weaknesses" in his game.

If we get him I'm gonna be thrilled but super scared at the same time.
 
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