Jackpotting Around -Tony Jones Edition

[Handlogten's Heros]

There was never a world where Haywood passes on the Celtics and his mentor for that assembly of the Utah Jazz. His poison pill contract just made it happen a year earlier.

They don't have space the next year if the contract is longer. It also could have been two years longer... in which time we would have had Donny, Rudy, prime Haywoodz.

It also would have been at a lower AV as the deal fell apart when we wanted him to take Favs money but he wanted a couple mill more. It would have been like 5/70M.

It was a generational fumble and inexcusable for a professional. The cap spike was known and we just blew it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe. Jazz certainly didn’t help themselves.

We blew it once the year before. We double blew it the second year when we could have locked him in for 5 years. They didn't understand the cap environment at all. It was a franchise altering blunder.

 

[framer]

I suppose next question is what value is there, and if the net differential is greater than the risk adjusted value of the pick.

Losing Lauri is not even close to the value of a number 9 or worse pick in the upcoming draft. There would have to be a LOT of backfill to make up that difference, especially as there a really great possibility of keeping the pick AND retaining Lauri.

 

[jom2003]

Well, DL was fired for a reason. Many reasons in fact

 

[rippimpc]

Sometimes I like to think of a world where Lindsey just colors inside the lines and signs Hayward and listens to his front office and drafts McDaniels.

 

[rippimpc]

Well, DL was fired for a reason. Many reasons in fact

I actually think Lindsey was a great basketball mind. You don’t find Mitchell, Rudy, and Ingles at such value and not be pretty good. But painters are gonna paint and he had some real stinkers too.

 

[jom2003]

I actually think Lindsey was a great basketball mind. You don’t find Mitchell, Rudy, and Ingles at such value and not be pretty good. But painters are gonna paint and he had some real stinkers too.

Yeah, Jingles was largely on Quin. Royce and Niang too. The guy could turn my grandma into a NBA player. Just ask Atlanta.

 

[framer]

They don't have space the next year if the contract is longer. It also could have been two years longer... in which time we would have had Donny, Rudy, prime Haywoodz.

It also would have been at a lower AV as the deal fell apart when we wanted him to take Favs money but he wanted a couple mill more. It would have been like 5/70M.

It was a generational fumble and inexcusable for a professional. The cap spike was known and we just blew it.

Meh, Hayward was far from a guarantee when he signed his second contract. I get not throwing the unquestioned max at him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sometimes I like to think of a world where Lindsey just colors inside the lines and signs Hayward and listens to his front office and drafts McDaniels.

I think they had a terrible cap guy in there. They had a few blunders that whoever that person was should share the blame with DL.

I think the Udoka pick may have been out of spite lol. Like eff you guys I'm out anyway. They should have and could override him if they wanted to. Bane or McDaniels would have been huge.

 

[rippimpc]

Losing Lauri is not even close to the value of a number 9 or worse pick in the upcoming draft. There would have to be a LOT of backfill to make up that difference, especially as there a really great possibility of keeping the pick AND retaining Lauri.

But is that the question? I think it’s more along the lines of, is trading Lauri at 80 cents on the dollar worth the risk adjusted value of potentially grabbing one of Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Wilson, Brown, Cenac, Carr, or whoever. Trading Lauri basically guarantees us a top 5 spot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Meh, Hayward was far from a guarantee when he signed his second contract. I get not throwing the unquestioned max at him.

It wasn't the max and the cap was literally about to double. Locking him in at 5/70 was a no brainer. Following that up the next year with telling him to go get his offer rather than working on a straight 4 year deal or 4+1 was a tragedy.

Unquestioned max would have been a 50% discount because of what was happening with the cap. It was insanely stupid.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But is that the question? I think it’s more along the lines of, is trading Lauri at 80 cents on the dollar worth the risk adjusted value of potentially grabbing one of Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Wilson, Brown, Cenac, Carr, or whoever. Trading Lauri basically guarantees us a top 5 spot.

Its a legit question but I think the reason people don't consider it is there are other choices in the real world... like resting Lauri. In a scenario where its one or the other I can see someone going either direction and I would likely lean towards moving Lauri.