Jazz and Bulls are in active trade discussions regarding Zach LaVine

[baka98]

I just remember two years ago everybody was hot and heavy around the jazz and New York, and then the Cleveland trade came out of nowhere and blew everyone away. This kind of feels the same way to me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

For me the Lavine trade would hinge on two things...

1- what do we get with him for doing the deal. It has to be solid.
2- What can we get for Sexton? As I would want a scenario where Lavine can really shine and we still end up keeping our top 10 pick. If you can profit on a trade of Sexton and an acquisition of Lavine... then you might be able to hit several goals.

This assumes JC/JC are the trade ballast as well. I would prefer 11 to Ayo as the sweetener... but if you also nabbed a good deal for Sexton then maybe I could be convinced its good enough.

If you asked me to pick between giving up assets to get Brandon Ingram or getting assets to take on Lavine... its an easy choice for me. I think Ingram's next deal could be worse than Zach's current one.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I didn't realize how solid Ayo was as a starter and overall last year. Liked him as a rookie and he kinda stagnated. Also didn't realize he has two years at 7m on his deal. I would do the Ayo deal or the deal for 11. Might be a great fit next to Keyonte long term. I would also still look to move Sexton if we did the deal or let it hinge on us having something good for Sexton on the table. You need to provide air for Ayo/Lavine to improve their value and maximize their contribution if you trade for them imo. I think Bulls might be more willing to send 11 than Ayo as he was their current GMs biggest draft win.

 

[default]

I don't think either quite qualifies as big game. I like Zach as a player. The contract and injury history are a buzzkill.

So far Boozer is possibly the biggest game we've gotten in at least the last 25 years. I would argue either Lavine or Bridges would be bigger.

 

[Shad]

Please no. We want Flagg or Ace over this.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I don’t see how this helps build a championship team at all.

I’m starting to wonder if getting Markkanen in that deal is a bad blessing in disguise. Because of his emergence the Jazz have kinda done a half tank half run to the playin leaving the Jazz stuck in the middle. It may have actually set us back years.

I am now fully in the trade Lauri camp. We are skipping steps in the rebuild

 

[MTS]

The jazz are usually pretty close to the vest with all their trades. I think this is all smoke from the Lavine camp, trying to drive up his value.

They haven't been close to the vest at all with Ainge.

 

[KqWIN]

Sexton and LaVine would be incredibly dangerous together

Offensively, they are an ideal fit. The amount of on/off ball share is just right. Defensively, they could be just as dangerous but in a bad way. Lavine is probably over hated for his defense....Sexton is legit horrible but maybe wouldn't be so horrible if he wasn't guarding 2's all the time.

 

[KqWIN]

I do think they care about where they finish. I just think if they did a deal it is being opportunistic and believing it can propel you to the playoffs (play in)or they are fine if it ends in a bottom 7 ish finish. If they are in between those options… we know what will happen after AS break.

I don't think they care about getting the top pick or making the playoffs. It's not their goal to do either and are cool with wherever they land. They may make a micro decision to get their pick back on the fly like have the last two years, but they aren't building a roster to accomplish the "tank" or "win now" directions.

I'm not going to say, play silly games win silly prizes. But this kind of hovering in the middle ensures that the benefits of doing these "opportunistic" moves are minimal. When you're just chilling and being opportunistic, you're probably not going to stumble upon a superteam. You're likely going to be agonizing over what's the difference between overpaying JCx2 or overpaying Lavine.

Who knows, maybe the miracle may come. Mitchell saved the franchise last go around, but without drafting a Mitchell you're just going to be doing this off season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think they care about getting the top pick or making the playoffs. It's not their goal to do either and are cool with wherever they land. They may make a micro decision to get their pick back on the fly like have the last two years, but they aren't building a roster to accomplish the "tank" or "win now" directions.

I'm not going to say, play silly games win silly prizes. But this kind of hovering in the middle ensures that the benefits of doing these "opportunistic" moves are minimal. When you're just chilling and being opportunistic, you're probably not going to stumble upon a superteam. You're likely going to be agonizing over what's the difference between overpaying JCx2 or overpaying Lavine.

Who knows, maybe the miracle may come. Mitchell saved the franchise last go around, but without drafting a Mitchell you're just going to be doing this off season.

I think they care where they finish. Why wouldn't they care deeply about that? Especially with the fact there are some places you finish that have a huge long term benefit or penalty. I think they are opportunistic and don't have a "plan" per se but not completely floating.

 

[KqWIN]

I think they care where they finish. Why wouldn't they care deeply about that? Especially with the fact there are some places you finish that have a huge long term benefit or penalty. I think they are opportunistic and don't have a "plan" per se but not completely floating.

I'm speaking about their approach to the off season. I do not see them deeply caring about making the playoffs next year or being at the top of the lottery. Like I said, I think they care enough to make on the fly, micro decisions (especially around the draft pick) but I highly doubt that the FO is thinking 1) we need to get a top pick or 2) we need to make the playoffs. I think the teams that deeply care about those things are obvious. Like we know the Kings are doing everything they can to make it back to the playoffs next year. We're definitely not them and we're definitely not a team like the Blazers who are not interested in winning at all next year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm speaking about their approach to the off season. I do not see them deeply caring about making the playoffs next year or being at the top of the lottery. Like I said, I think they care enough to make on the fly, micro decisions (especially around the draft pick) but I highly doubt that the FO is thinking 1) we need to get a top pick or 2) we need to make the playoffs. I think the teams that deeply care about those things are obvious. Like we know the Kings are doing everything they can to make it back to the playoffs next year. We're definitely not them and we're definitely not a team like the Blazers who are not interested in winning at all next year.

I think we are less concerned about making the play in but definitely care where we finish this year. It may not factor into every decision but one as big as Lavine I would think we would factor it in. I think we will be mindful not to push the gas too hard if we think it only makes us a play in team. Not sure we care too much about finishing like 4th worst vs 8th worst record per se as there might be other priorities there.

I'm fine disagreeing here as the FO seems to have no real concrete plans and guessing what they care about is probably akin to guessing what my dog is thinking sometimes. Sometimes it seems obvious and other times I have no effing clue what she is barking at.